Title: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: cewbs on July 21, 2008, 07:21:52 PM
Post by: cewbs on July 21, 2008, 07:21:52 PM
Hi all,
I've often asked myself what creationists think of the human digestive system and, specifically, of poo.
Whenever I ponder this, a number of fascinating questions come to mind. According to creationists, I wonder:
And so on - the list of questions is endless.
As you can probably tell, my understanding of creationism is limited; furthermore, I don't have any creationist acquaintances. Consequently, I'd really like to hear a genuine creationist talk seriously about bowel movements.
I realise there won't be a vast number of creationists reading an atheist forum, but at a glance, I have found that creationist forums tend to be mostly full of emotional responses to these sorts of questions. I'm more interested in a thorough, informative response which would give me a real insight into a creationist's relationship with defecation and faecal matter.
Do you have any thoughts on this? Any links or material which might help me on my quest?
(Seriously.)
All the best,
cewbs.
I've often asked myself what creationists think of the human digestive system and, specifically, of poo.
Whenever I ponder this, a number of fascinating questions come to mind. According to creationists, I wonder:
- Does god have an anus, or is the anus something we acquired because of the orinal sin?
- Does god consciously design each of my stools?
- Is god present in my poo in the same way that he is in all of creation?
- Why did god make defecation such a varied experience, covering a wide spectrum from rejuvenatingly pleasant to excruciatingly painful?
- Why did god design the human digestive system such that it employs such wasteful mechanisms? Why are human faeces not more useful? Why is the system not more robust and predictable? As an engineer, I often think I could do a better job (particularly when I'm wrestling with constipation).
- Why does our view of poo tend to change during childhood, i.e. why does god ensure that we progressively develop what feels like an instinctive repulsion to our own (and others') waste?
And so on - the list of questions is endless.
As you can probably tell, my understanding of creationism is limited; furthermore, I don't have any creationist acquaintances. Consequently, I'd really like to hear a genuine creationist talk seriously about bowel movements.
I realise there won't be a vast number of creationists reading an atheist forum, but at a glance, I have found that creationist forums tend to be mostly full of emotional responses to these sorts of questions. I'm more interested in a thorough, informative response which would give me a real insight into a creationist's relationship with defecation and faecal matter.
Do you have any thoughts on this? Any links or material which might help me on my quest?
(Seriously.)
All the best,
cewbs.
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: myleviathan on July 22, 2008, 03:50:49 AM
Post by: myleviathan on July 22, 2008, 03:50:49 AM
Quote from: "cewbs"Hi all,
I've often asked myself what creationists think of the human digestive system and, specifically, of poo.
Whenever I ponder this, a number of fascinating questions come to mind. According to creationists, I wonder:
- Does god have an anus, or is the anus something we acquired because of the orinal sin?
- Does god consciously design each of my stools?
- Is god present in my poo in the same way that he is in all of creation?
- Why did god make defecation such a varied experience, covering a wide spectrum from rejuvenatingly pleasant to excruciatingly painful?
- Why did god design the human digestive system such that it employs such wasteful mechanisms? Why are human faeces not more useful? Why is the system not more robust and predictable? As an engineer, I often think I could do a better job (particularly when I'm wrestling with constipation).
- Why does our view of poo tend to change during childhood, i.e. why does god ensure that we progressively develop what feels like an instinctive repulsion to our own (and others') waste?
And so on - the list of questions is endless.
As you can probably tell, my understanding of creationism is limited; furthermore, I don't have any creationist acquaintances. Consequently, I'd really like to hear a genuine creationist talk seriously about bowel movements.
I realise there won't be a vast number of creationists reading an atheist forum, but at a glance, I have found that creationist forums tend to be mostly full of emotional responses to these sorts of questions. I'm more interested in a thorough, informative response which would give me a real insight into a creationist's relationship with defecation and faecal matter. :idea:
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: MariaEvri on July 22, 2008, 12:52:04 PM
Post by: MariaEvri on July 22, 2008, 12:52:04 PM
I have a question about poo myself, but not human poo. I wanna know what the hell God was thinking when he made the hippos actually spray theyr ehm.. poo ono theyr defeated opponents
he sure ahs some sick humour
he sure ahs some sick humour
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 04:01:41 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 04:01:41 PM
Hmm... this could be an interesting question regarding the nature of perfection. Does the presence of a poo-making organ attribute to God's supposed perfection, or is it the lack of one that contributes to the supposed perfection? Is eating a necessary component of perfection? Is pooing necessary and sufficient for perfection? And if not, why not?
I'm going to change this a little bit to make it easier to read.
2a. If he does (and, thereby, causes you pain based on #4), but he himself does not defecate or have an anus, then he is knowingly and willfully hurting you, thereby negating the claim of being All Good. I will call this the Argument from Painful Poos.
3a. If he is, then, as stated above, he is personally responsible for any painful bowel movements. If not, then it would seem that human feces is the only substance which is truly "removed from God's light" and thereby we are, essentially, machines designed to produce little smelly piles of evil. This goes against the idea of an All Loving and All Good creator.
4a. I think I covered this in the second point. To recap, if God is responsible for painful poos, then he is knowingly and directly causing you pain and is therefore either not All Powerful (able to stop it) or All Loving (unwilling to cause pain).
5a. Again, if God created the human digestive system faulty on purpose, he either a) could not create a perfect system and is not All Powerful, or b) chose not to and is not All Good (based on the Argument from Painful Poos).
6a. I wouldn't blame that on God... I'd blame that on the Catholic church.
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I'm going to change this a little bit to make it easier to read.
Quote from: "cewbs"1. Does god have an anus, or is the anus something we acquired because of the orinal sin?
2. Does god consciously design each of my stools?
3. Is god present in my poo in the same way that he is in all of creation?
4. Why did god make defecation such a varied experience, covering a wide spectrum from rejuvenatingly pleasant to excruciatingly painful?
5. Why did god design the human digestive system such that it employs such wasteful mechanisms? Why are human faeces not more useful? Why is the system not more robust and predictable? As an engineer, I often think I could do a better job (particularly when I'm wrestling with constipation).
6. Why does our view of poo tend to change during childhood, i.e. why does god ensure that we progressively develop what feels like an instinctive repulsion to our own (and others') waste?
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2a. If he does (and, thereby, causes you pain based on #4), but he himself does not defecate or have an anus, then he is knowingly and willfully hurting you, thereby negating the claim of being All Good. I will call this the Argument from Painful Poos.
3a. If he is, then, as stated above, he is personally responsible for any painful bowel movements. If not, then it would seem that human feces is the only substance which is truly "removed from God's light" and thereby we are, essentially, machines designed to produce little smelly piles of evil. This goes against the idea of an All Loving and All Good creator.
4a. I think I covered this in the second point. To recap, if God is responsible for painful poos, then he is knowingly and directly causing you pain and is therefore either not All Powerful (able to stop it) or All Loving (unwilling to cause pain).
5a. Again, if God created the human digestive system faulty on purpose, he either a) could not create a perfect system and is not All Powerful, or b) chose not to and is not All Good (based on the Argument from Painful Poos).
6a. I wouldn't blame that on God... I'd blame that on the Catholic church.
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Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: SteveS on July 22, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
Post by: SteveS on July 22, 2008, 04:31:11 PM
:D
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 05:19:01 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 05:19:01 PM
Quote from: "SteveS"One more question: If Jesus defecated, and Jesus was Holy (because he was God), did he produce "holy sh_t"?
"You talkin' to me?"
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Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: nikkixsugar on July 22, 2008, 07:07:41 PM
Post by: nikkixsugar on July 22, 2008, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Quote from: "SteveS"One more question: If Jesus defecated, and Jesus was Holy (because he was God), did he produce "holy sh_t"?
"You talkin' to me?"
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages19.fotki.com%2Fv354%2Fphotos%2F8%2F892548%2F6145789%2FRifleJesus-vi.jpg&hash=7324127480bc300672904acaa702444a3b463297)
Uh-oh. Jesus has a gun and he's gonna kill us all! Is that a country song?
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: jcm on July 22, 2008, 08:59:43 PM
Post by: jcm on July 22, 2008, 08:59:43 PM
I thought when it rained it was the big guy going number 1 and when it thundered he was going number 2
oh well...what about male nipples, can someone explain this one to me?
oh well...what about male nipples, can someone explain this one to me?
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 09:48:24 PM
Post by: curiosityandthecat on July 22, 2008, 09:48:24 PM
Quote from: "nikkixsugar"Uh-oh. Jesus has a gun and he's gonna kill us all! Is that a country song?
Noooo. If it were a country song, it would be, "Jesus Has a Gun and He's Gonna Save Us All From Those Dirty Muslims, Atheists and Commies!"
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: NearBr0ken on July 22, 2008, 10:39:11 PM
Post by: NearBr0ken on July 22, 2008, 10:39:11 PM
QuoteWhy did god design the human digestive system such that it employs such wasteful mechanisms? Why are human faeces not more useful? Why is the system not more robust and predictable? As an engineer, I often think I could do a better job (particularly when I'm wrestling with constipation).
That's another thing that converted me. If God can design whatever he wants, however he wants, then why all the waste?
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2008, 01:04:25 AM
Post by: Asmodean on July 23, 2008, 01:04:25 AM
Quote from: "cewbs"Does god have an anus, or is the anus something we acquired because of the orinal sin?If god had no anus, why would he inven butt plugs? :D (point being: god IS the stool :D
Quote from: "cewbs"Why did god make defecation such a varied experience, covering a wide spectrum from rejuvenatingly pleasant to excruciatingly painful?A good dump is a reward for being nice. A crippling diarrhea is a punishment for our wicked, sinful ways.
Quote from: "cewbs"Why did god design the human digestive system such that it employs such wasteful mechanisms? Why are human faeces not more useful? Why is the system not more robust and predictable? As an engineer, I often think I could do a better job (particularly when I'm wrestling with constipation).Come on! Give him a break! 6000 years is a long time. they didn't invent the artificial fertilizers yet. :pop:
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: afreethinker30 on July 23, 2008, 07:33:33 AM
Post by: afreethinker30 on July 23, 2008, 07:33:33 AM
I had never thought about this part of creation..Good question.I'm sure a creation believer would say because that is the way god made us and everything.Every living thing puts out waste.There it being said waste would probley be a good thing in creationists eyes.If only we could find a half way intelligent creationist to ask..
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: Dickson on July 28, 2008, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: Dickson on July 28, 2008, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: "SteveS"roflol
Oh man, you cracked me up! Excellent irreverent thinking.
One more question: If Jesus defecated, and Jesus was Holy (because he was God), did he produce "holy sh_t"? :hail:
Title: Re: Creationist perspective on defecation?
Post by: shedaytrips on July 31, 2008, 04:53:09 AM
Post by: shedaytrips on July 31, 2008, 04:53:09 AM
Quote from: "jcm"I thought when it rained it was the big guy going number 1 and when it thundered he was going number 2
oh well...what about male nipples, can someone explain this one to me?
I can explain that one. When conception occurs we all start out as a female template. It's not till later on that your sex is determined. So I think God has it wrong. We all started out female. lol
I also wonder why god would make us vomit.