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General => Politics => Topic started by: Reginus on August 27, 2010, 01:04:20 AM

Title: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Reginus on August 27, 2010, 01:04:20 AM
I'm looking for a party or political organization that has views in this general area.  Not sure if there's a single one that exists.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi34.tinypic.com%2F2943ti9.jpg&hash=8de76948db782466e8f1db7ffba2487fdf4f68c0)
Here's where some of the candidates in the 2008 U.S. election stood, for reference: (I was surprised when I saw that almost all Democrats fell onto the right side.  Fox news would have you believe that it wouldn't be possible to be more left wing than the Democrats.)
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicalcompass.org%2Fimages%2Fusprimaries_2008.png&hash=66577663b4dee79f3f29099958c5145ab6b04e61)
Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Reginus on August 27, 2010, 11:56:14 PM
Bump.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Whitney on August 28, 2010, 01:05:09 AM
Left means social progressive and right means socially conservative...correct?

If so, then Libertarian Party would probably be what you are looking for.

but maybe the Green Party would fit in there too?  http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml (http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml)
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: SSY on August 28, 2010, 05:41:44 AM
I always found it interesting that the American left is still right of our mainstream right.

Vote Monster Raving Loony party, Howling Laud Hope is a top quality candidate, he won't even mind that your vote comes from across the pond. I think he amply demonstrated his credentials when his co-leader died and he took the burden of leadership upon himself.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Reginus on August 28, 2010, 04:44:23 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"Left means social progressive and right means socially conservative...correct?

If so, then Libertarian Party would probably be what you are looking for.

but maybe the Green Party would fit in there too?  http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml (http://www.gp.org/tenkey.shtml)
Nah, for the chart I used it's based on economic issues.

The U.S. Libertarian Party is right wing on economic issues and I'm reluctant to join the Green Party because I think it's old news and is slowly withering away.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Kylyssa on August 28, 2010, 05:43:00 PM
I don't think you will find a good fit unless you make your own political party.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Whitney on August 28, 2010, 07:06:55 PM
is it even possible to be libertarian (less government) yet also not be right on the economic scale (free trade, no gov regulation of business)?
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Recusant on August 28, 2010, 07:26:12 PM
If you came to your position in the chart by answering this questionnaire (http://www.politicalcompass.org/index), then there are some social issues involved as well.  As for suggesting a political party, I'm not going to be any help at all.  There are only two parties in the US that have the means to achieve real power, and I despise both of them. Sometimes I despise the Democrats less, only because the Republicans seem to be so obviously the party of the corporations and the rich.  (The Democrats are the party of the corporations and entitlement programs.  Not a choice I feel comfortable with.)
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Reginus on August 28, 2010, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"is it even possible to be libertarian (less government) yet also not be right on the economic scale (free trade, no gov regulation of business)?
Think of it this way:

Examples of economic issues:

Left - We should have government-run social security and homeless benefits and we should impose high taxes on the rich to pay for it.
Right - There shouldn't be wealth re-distribution and we should have a flat-line tax.

Examples of social issues:

Libertarian - The government should legalize pot and repeal the Patriot Act.
Authoritarian - A couple years of military service should be mandatory for all citizens.  We must sacrifice some liberties and freedoms to make the country safer.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Reginus on August 28, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
Quote from: "Recusant"If you came to your position in the chart by answering this questionnaire (http://www.politicalcompass.org/index), then there are some social issues involved as well.  As for suggesting a political party, I'm not going to be any help at all.  There are only two parties in the US that have the means to achieve real power, and I despise both of them. Sometimes I despise the Democrats less, only because the Republicans seem to be so obviously the party of the corporations and the rich.  (The Democrats are the party of the corporations and entitlement programs.  Not a choice I feel comfortable with.)
Yep.  In only places in which a new party that doesn't have millions upon millions of dollars worth of funding could likely have any power would be in the countries like Norway and Belgium, where a proportional representation system is in place.

The irony is that with the American system, if I was to start a liberal party that ended up gaining significant influence, all it would serve to do is split the liberal vote between my party and the Democratic party, which would end up giving the Republicans much more power.  This happened in the 2000 election and will happen in the 2010 election now that the Tea Party has become large.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: AlP on September 01, 2010, 05:48:26 AM
Maybe mutualism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_%28economic_theory%29)? There are no mutualist political parties that I know of though.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on September 01, 2010, 06:08:27 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_Friedman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_Friedman)
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: Will on September 01, 2010, 07:18:17 AM
Libertarian left? That'd either be the Democratic party or the Green Party. While we don't have a party for libertarian socialists, like Noam Chomsky, people with your ideological beliefs would be most welcomed with either the Dems or the Greens.
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: pinkocommie on September 01, 2010, 07:23:43 AM
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinky_Friedman

I love him!
Title: Re: Help Me Find a U.S. Political Party
Post by: philosoraptor on September 01, 2010, 07:36:06 AM
If this is just for the purpose of registering to vote, I'm pretty sure you can just register as an independent without selecting a party affiliation.  If you do this though, I don't think you can vote in local elections-you have to have a party affiliation to do that.