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Is it not that way in your country?
Pity.
Rule: Less child molesters, less hangings.

The problem with that in the US is that, in some states, a seventeen year old girl who gives her one-week-from-sixteen-years-old boyfriend a blowjob that he asked for is considered a pedophile as is a guy who stops to take a leak in the bushes and gets seen by kids, even if his genitals are completely hidden from view.

Kylyssa's right. You'd be amazed at what trivial thing can get someone labelled as a sex offender. If they fix the system then sure, harder punishments for molesters. But I say, why not molesters of any kind?

It depends on what kind of "molestation" you are talking about and how old the persons involved are. I think that "indecent"  exposure or sexual harassment should not be treated the same like physical rape. The maximum punishment for child molestation that you get in my country is 12 years (if you fuck a kid who is younger than twelve).

Assuming you mean rapists, child molesters and their ilk? Deterrence doesn't work with pedophiles, as often their condition is either genetic or due to childhood trauma, neither are effected (or affected? damn you, third grade English!) by threat of punishment. Rape, on the other hand, can be deterred, but hanging someone is incredibly extreme, even more so than lethal injection or gas chamber. Interestingly, studies have shown access to internet pornography significantly reduces the instance of rape.

Most developed countries that still have yet to abolish the death penalty usually leave such a sentence for (often multiple) premeditated murder. As terrible as these things are, they're not murder.

Personally, I believe people guilty of sex crimes should undergo significant counseling. I cannot imagine an emotionally stable person committing such acts.

It's a self-feeding virus.
Pedophiles were victims of sexual molestation in childhood, and now they have the excuse to do the same?!...
I say, kill the bastards  in a market square to eliminate the evil from its routes.
What other way has been successful, tell me!

Quote from: "Fininho"It's a self-feeding virus.
Pedophiles were victims of sexual molestation in childhood, and now they have the excuse to do the same?!...
I say, kill the bastards  in a market square to eliminate the evil from its routes.
What other way has been successful, tell me!

From what I've read that is actually a myth. The "Vampire Myth" or something to that effect. Honestly killing them all will never eliminate it once and for all. There are other factors that cause that behavior. As Will mentioned it could even be genetic. Although in which case I don't know how much good counseling would do.

What good will hanging do? Rehabilitation over punishment. If we can help them, we should. If not, jail or death are the only other real options, and I'd rather choose jail.

IMO, no one deserves to die lawfully. I'd say let them die naturally, in prison.

I think there's just too much danger of a molested child naming anyone who sets off her trauma triggers as her molester to use the death penalty on pedophiles.  

I've suffered a lot of trauma in my life and, even as an adult, some of it runs together and people who feel threatening can be superimposed over the actual assailants.  

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Child molesters know what they are doing holds harsh penalties.  "Short eyes" don't do so well in prison because many prisoners feel as the OP does and they may feel they have nothing to lose.  It doesn't stop molesters from molesting.  There's no deterrent effect.  

Deterrent effect requires that criminals have control.  If they did, they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.  They aren't in logical control of themselves.  That's why some pedophiles even ask to be castrated, chemically or otherwise.

I has a bright idea!  :D

Quote from: "Asmodean"I has a bright idea!  :D

Yuck, but if it saved a single child, it would be worth a world of yuck.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"Yuck, but if it saved a single child, it would be worth a world of yuck.

I think it might have saved more than it wronged. Oh, sure, some creep would get inspired to do the real thing by screwing one of those, but then again... Having screwed something reasonably close to the objective, I think most creeps would be able to conjure enough respect for the law, if not for their potential victims, not to take it to that next level.

I'm not in any way qualified to make such a call, but I think lifelike toys for those who just can not keep it in their pants would be more beneficial than harmful.

AND... Profit!  

For instance: RCC pedophile priests should be blinded.
If they were innocent, the prayers of other priests would quickly restore their sight and - PRESTO! - innocence proved!

Quote from: "Fininho"PRESTO! - innocence proved!

Not so fast... We would need to eliminate the factor of cheating. Like with transplant surgery... Or laser surgery... Or regular surgery or any other scientific approach.  

I found this documentary interesting.

QuoteBill and Tom speak openly and honestly to 360documentaries about their desires, motivations, self-loathing and confronting their demons through the SafeCare program. And a warning, this program contains confronting descriptions of abuse and violence.

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/ ... 2_1405.mp3 (http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2010/10/tsy_20101002_1405.mp3)

As some pointed out [at another forum where I posted this topic], the molester goes to prison and the victim keeps paying tax money to keep the criminal protected by the justice system!

I'd rather guilty people get a comfy rid through the system than one accidentally convicted innocent person suffer irreversible consequences...the justice system is flawed allowing for the incarceration of innocent people and that alone makes the death penalty wrong despite how horrible the crime may be.

Quote from: "wildfire_emissary"IMO, no one deserves to die lawfully. I'd say let them die naturally, in prison.

IMO taxpayers don't deserve to be forced to pay to house and feed them either.

Quote from: "Kylyssa"I think there's just too much danger of a molested child naming anyone who sets off her trauma triggers as her molester to use the death penalty on pedophiles.  

I've suffered a lot of trauma in my life and, even as an adult, some of it runs together and people who feel threatening can be superimposed over the actual assailants.  

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There's been a ton of cases where someone has been charged with rape after having consentual sex with someone who decided after the fact that it wasn't. I think the death penalty should be used swiftly in cases where the physical evidence is overwhelming. I.e. caught in the act, combined with DNA evidence and victim testimony, etc

Sexual violation of a minor is worse than murder, some say.
Some victims would have preferred death... we hear.
To me, the way those molesters are punished is not good justice.
I want serious deterrent.

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Quote from: "Kylyssa"I think there's just too much danger of a molested child naming anyone who sets off her trauma triggers as her molester to use the death penalty on pedophiles.  

I've suffered a lot of trauma in my life and, even as an adult, some of it runs together and people who feel threatening can be superimposed over the actual assailants.  

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There's been a ton of cases where someone has been charged with rape after having consentual sex with someone who decided after the fact that it wasn't. I think the death penalty should be used swiftly in cases where the physical evidence is overwhelming. I.e. caught in the act, combined with DNA evidence and victim testimony, etc

Yes, we agree with that.
But if the current justice system is the best available, I assume cases of clear violation are easy to establish, and thus the adequate punishment to follow.
To me, death of the guilty is better than no death.

But that's the problem with the justice system after all: when it comes to accusations of rape or molestation, you're "guilty until proven innocent" instead of it being the other way round. In fact, statistics show that around 25% of rape claims made by women are actually false, yet despite these incredible numbers, many decent men have their lives and reputations ruined because of a court that will see a woman flutter her eyelashes and wipe away a tear and just make an assumption without regard to evidence. In the extraordinarily rare instances where these horrible women have been caught out, the reasons for the claim often boil down to wanting either revenge, that is, to "punish" the man for some apparent "wrongdoing", wanting attention, or in younger girls to hide the fact that they were impregnated through consensual sex so as to avoid having to lose face in public and bear the shame from parents and relatives.

... So what can I say to all this? I only feel sorry for the men who have to live in such a biassed society.

Pedophilia isn't a regular crime. Depending on who you talk to, it could be considered a psychological disease. In most parts of the United States the death penalty is not inflicted on those who did not have control of their actions, that includes people who are suffering from certain psychological disorders. A woman in Texas a year or two ago had a psychotic breakdown, killed her child, and proceeded to... eat parts of it. The debate was should she be killed or put into a mental institution? My argument went as such, and I think it can apply here: to those who have no control, a deterrent is useless, to those who know it's wrong, they do not need additional reinforcement, so then what is the purpose of killing them? Revenge?

Also, what does the death penalty mean? To put someone in prison is to take them out of society because they cannot cooperate or contribute. To keep social cohesion, they are to be removed (as far as I understand). The death penalty has purposes as well: to punish a crime, to keep the person from doing it again, and to discourage similar persons. There are several problems with this concerning pedophilia. 1: molestation or rape in regard to the law (as for as I understand) is not severe enough to require death as punishment. To cause death necessitates the death penalty. 2: The person may not be able to do it again if they are dead, but the same effect can be obtained by institutionalizing them. 3: Pedophiles who can control themselves will already be deterred, as they already know it is wrong, and pedophiles who cannot control themselves turn the criminal justice system on its head. If they can't control their actions, how could they then be responsible for those actions? Even so, the additional deterrent wouldn't stop them, making the procedure a moot point.