Today reviewing some old thoughts: Some say they didn't land on the moon. I can't see proof one way or another, but this is the first thing that I wondered about/noticed just after the set down of the lander. Who set out the camera to record the first step onto the moon surface. There are possibilities but not convincing enough for me.
I'd have to go do some re-reading, but if memory serves, Aldrin took the photo of his own foot, which you can kinda' see from the way it was taken, then I believe some more "panoramic" shots were taken with the camera on that funny little EV from way before EVs were cool.
Still, it's been literally decades since I've studied them Moon landings of old, so don't take my memory for absolute in this.
Quote from: Old Seer on May 11, 2023, 04:37:53 AMToday reviewing some old thoughts: Some say they didn't land on the moon. I can't see proof one way or another, but this is the first thing that I wondered about/noticed just after the set down of the lander. Who set out the camera to record the first step onto the moon surface. There are possibilities but not convincing enough for me.
They had a camera on the leg of the lander. It's not fucking difficult to understand that.
Hahaha, you folks think there is a "moon". You'll believe anything.
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Quote from: Tank on May 11, 2023, 08:59:34 AMQuote from: Old Seer on May 11, 2023, 04:37:53 AMToday reviewing some old thoughts: Some say they didn't land on the moon. I can't see proof one way or another, but this is the first thing that I wondered about/noticed just after the set down of the lander. Who set out the camera to record the first step onto the moon surface. There are possibilities but not convincing enough for me.
They had a camera on the leg of the lander. It's not fucking difficult to understand that.
Angles and distances doesn't seem correct on some pictures for that. However, I'm not saying they didn't land on the moon.
Quote from: Old Seer on May 11, 2023, 02:34:01 PMaQuote from: Tank on May 11, 2023, 08:59:34 AMQuote from: Old Seer on May 11, 2023, 04:37:53 AMToday reviewing some old thoughts: Some say they didn't land on the moon. I can't see proof one way or another, but this is the first thing that I wondered about/noticed just after the set down of the lander. Who set out the camera to record the first step onto the moon surface. There are possibilities but not convincing enough for me.
They had a camera on the leg of the lander. It's not fucking difficult to understand that.
Angles and distances doesn't seem correct on some pictures for that. However, I'm not saying they didn't land on the moon.
A lot of things 'don't look right' on the Moon because it has no atmosphere to ameliorate or cause backscater of the direct light from the sun. This also effects the film and thus photos taken as well. This sort of technical incompetence is the life blood of conspiracy theorists.
ive known two people who were moon landing skeptics.
one thing i nevrr see discussef is the "why" quesyion.
why on earth fake the moon landing? to one-up the soviets for less money?
is that it?
seems like a lot of bother.
I agree.
Shouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
Quote from: billy rubin on May 11, 2023, 05:16:17 PMive known two people who were moon landing skeptics.
one thing i nevrr see discussef is the "why" quesyion.
why on earth fake the moon landing? to one-up the soviets for less money?
is that it?
seems like a lot of bother.
One of the things that IMHO is pretty conclusive that they did in fact go there, is the fact that the Soviets were no doubt monitoring the expedition and would easily have noticed if the radio emissions from the lunar landing did not in fact come from the moon. There was no love lost between the Soviets and the USA then, at the height of the Cold War, does anyone really think the Soviets would have missed the opportunity to call fake on the US moon mission?
Quote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 01:01:10 AMShouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
I agree. It should have put in a different thread.
Quote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 01:01:10 AMShouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
Agreed, and moved to a more suitable board.
Quote from: Old Seer on May 12, 2023, 03:48:11 AMQuote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 01:01:10 AMShouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
I agree. It should have put in a different thread.
Actually though, I'm not dealing in a conspiracy theory. There's no way I can establish someone left the lander to set out a camera. The question isn't whether they land on the moon or not.
Quote from: Old Seer on May 12, 2023, 03:12:11 PMQuote from: Old Seer on May 12, 2023, 03:48:11 AMQuote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 01:01:10 AMShouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
I agree. It should have put in a different thread.
Actually though, I'm not dealing in a conspiracy theory. There's no way I can establish someone left the lander to set out a camera. The question isn't whether they land on the moon or not.
It sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
Quote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 03:52:02 PMQuote from: Old Seer on May 12, 2023, 03:12:11 PMQuote from: Old Seer on May 12, 2023, 03:48:11 AMQuote from: MarcusA on May 12, 2023, 01:01:10 AMShouldn't this thread be in Conspiracy Theory section? Those believe that man did not travel to the moon and reach the surface have obviously not seen or heard of the latest photographs of the lunar surface which clearly show apparently evidence of human activity.
I agree. It should have put in a different thread.
Actually though, I'm not dealing in a conspiracy theory. There's no way I can establish someone left the lander to set out a camera. The question isn't whether they land on the moon or not.
It sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
When I was 14 I wanted to go to the moon. Knowing the particulars of such a venture I can confidently say they landed on the moon, because I studied and learned on how it's done. You missed the point.My first impression when they landed was---exactly as I stated ----someone exited the lander to place the camera and if true that person would have been the first to step on the moon not Aldrin.
Seriously? This is some weak sauce, but at least in the right board now.
Leaving aside the mistake in names, it's simple enough to find the information. The camera was mounted on a hatch on the lander and deployed after the landing. Disbelieve it if you will.
"How We Saw Armstrong's First Steps" |
National Air and Space Museum (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/how-we-saw-armstrongs-first-steps)
QuoteThe Westinghouse camera was stored for flight in the lunar module's Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), a compartment near the ladder that Armstrong climbed down to reach the Moon's surface. To activate the camera, he pulled on a handle that in turn released the door to the MESA. Engineers attached the camera upside down to secure it to the door, and tilted at an 11-degree angle because of how the door rested in its final position. Both issues were overcome in retransmission of the signal back on Earth.
[Link to full article. (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/how-we-saw-armstrongs-first-steps)]
i watched it live from a farmhouse in oklahoma. i dont remember seeing armstrong actually step out on the regolith. he was standing on the ladder or the foot dish and did some talking and if he was filmed as he stepped out onto the surface it wasnt apparent to me
Quote from: Recusant on May 12, 2023, 06:26:30 PMSeriously? This is some weak sauce, but at least in the right board now.
Leaving aside the mistake in names, it's simple enough to find the information. The camera was mounted on a hatch on the lander and deployed after the landing. Disbelieve it if you will.
"How We Saw Armstrong's First Steps" | National Air and Space Museum (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/how-we-saw-armstrongs-first-steps)
QuoteThe Westinghouse camera was stored for flight in the lunar module's Modular Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), a compartment near the ladder that Armstrong climbed down to reach the Moon's surface. To activate the camera, he pulled on a handle that in turn released the door to the MESA. Engineers attached the camera upside down to secure it to the door, and tilted at an 11-degree angle because of how the door rested in its final position. Both issues were overcome in retransmission of the signal back on Earth.
[Link to full article. (https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/how-we-saw-armstrongs-first-steps)]
Yes I know. The problem I had back then was the pic or video itself. Something seemed out of place. So I went and had a look on a search of lander pics. Here's what I came up with. The camera is up, right. It's placement is about 10 feet up. The pic of his foot about to be set on the surface is about 2 to 3 feet above the ground. The camera (if I have this correct) would have to have been lowered to ground level to make that near-ground pic. The lower pic is a side view, and that means ---if the camera is overhead how happens a side view.
I'm sure there's a proper answer, but I can't see what it could be. Maybe there was another camera lower down. The objective in mind is---what would others make of this.
There is a famous still image of a boot-print on the surface of the Moon, but it's not from the video in question.
Mohammed split the moon in half apparently, either that or someone needed glasses.
A moon buggy is just a dune buggy
A sigh is just a sigh