So my mother asked me this question yesterday:
"If somebody held a gun to my temple, and demanded I curse my mother or be killed in a horrible fashion, would I curse out my mother?"
I immediately responded yes, and, well, the guilt trip floodgates suddenly popped. :(
What would your mother say about your choice?
You mean, my answer? Or if she was presented with the same question?
Your answer.
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 18, 2012, 04:02:24 AM
So my mother asked me this question yesterday:
"If somebody held a gun to my temple, and demanded I curse my mother or be killed in a horrible fashion, would I curse out my mother?"
I immediately responded yes, and, well, the guilt trip floodgates suddenly popped. :(
The scenario is too extreme for me, perhaps if it was between cursing a loved one to receive a marshmallow or no marshmallow I might pause. Nya, I'm sure my mother would want me too have that marshmallow and she never helped me develop my cursing power anyway. I think that is a mother to daughter thing in our family but we rarely speak of it.
I curse your mother to live a long, healthy, energetic and happy life, to be wealthy beyond her wildest dreams and to be generous to her children.
May she suffer the sight of happy, healthy and wealthy children.
May she endure the obligation of having to travel overseas for an endurable period each year, to explore exciting new places and to experience diverse cultures, exotic foods and euphoric moments of discovery.
There, that shall do it!
Well, she got really offended and sad. Then I asked her this question:
"If someone was holding a gun to my head, and they demanded that either I curse you or they would kill me, but you got to choose which action I took, what would you have me do?"
Bullets are real, curses are make believe, which one would you rather be struck by?
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Seriously. What the fuck.
I'm sure my mom would want me to live.
Why would she ask that?
You need to work harder at giving your mom real things to be upset and disappointed about, so she won't have to go looking so hard for bizarre hypothetical scenarios to be upset and dissappointed about. *nods solemnly* ;D
When you say curse do you mean the mumbo jumbo stuff or calling her a naughty word.
Either way I would call her a bitch and damn her to hell. Its all a bunch of bollocks really.
Quote from: Crow on May 18, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
When you say curse do you mean the mumbo jumbo stuff or calling her a naughty word.
Either way I would call her a bitch and damn her to hell. Its all a bunch of bollocks really.
This!! ^
This is so not real life. If someone is holding a gun to your head and forces you to make a choice, usually it's a choice between whether your spouse or your child dies. I mean it's in the movies so it has to be true!
Quote from: fester30 on May 18, 2012, 10:54:47 PM
This is so not real life. If someone is holding a gun to your head and forces you to make a choice, usually it's a choice between whether your spouse or your child dies. I mean it's in the movies so it has to be true!
*Snerk*
Haha , fester. XD
Quote from: Ali on May 18, 2012, 05:12:38 PM
You need to work harder at giving your mom real things to be upset and disappointed about, so she won't have to go looking so hard for bizarre hypothetical scenarios to be upset and dissappointed about. *nods solemnly* ;D
This ^ :D
It happens and will happen for some.
She was trying to make a point about how god loves me, and I should therefore love him. In her mind, loving god is absolute, to the point of willingly give up our lives for him. I said this was complete horseshit, so she tried to draw a parrallel with her standing in for god. Apparently, my not cussing her would show that I love her so much that I would die for her.
Now, of course I would die for my mom, but such an action would probably need to include saving her life. Calling her a bitch or damning her to hell...not exactly high offenses.
Wow..
I'm glad my mom wasnt a loon like that.
Oooooo boy, that's a Pandora's box right there, your mom comparing yourself to god. Most of the punishments god inflicted on people would constitute as child abuse today-why would you want to draw that kind of comparison? It sure was loving when god told Abraham to kill his children and then pulled a JK at the last minute. God is the ultimate troll.
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 20, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
She was trying to make a point about how god loves me, and I should therefore love him. In her mind, loving god is absolute, to the point of willingly give up our lives for him. I said this was complete horseshit, so she tried to draw a parrallel with her standing in for god. Apparently, my not cussing her would show that I love her so much that I would die for her.
Now, of course I would die for my mom, but such an action would probably need to include saving her life. Calling her a bitch or damning her to hell...not exactly high offenses.
Which makes it seem like the value of your life is low, if you should die instead of cussing your mom. Such distortion. ::)
I would die for my family, but doing so because of cussing is rather stupid. I don't know what people try and prove with that...
Quote from: philosoraptor on May 20, 2012, 02:38:25 AM
Oooooo boy, that's a Pandora's box right there, your mom comparing yourself to god. Most of the punishments god inflicted on people would constitute as child abuse today-why would you want to draw that kind of comparison? It sure was loving when god told Abraham to kill his children and then pulled a JK at the last minute. God is the ultimate troll.
Hahaha!! Your posts are extra A+ tonight. I love it. I'll email you a basket of oranges later :) :)
Please keep in mind, I prefer my oranges in the satsuma variety. ;-)
And thank you.
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 18, 2012, 04:44:55 AM
Well, she got really offended and sad. Then I asked her this question:
"If someone was holding a gun to my head, and they demanded that either I curse you or they would kill me, but you got to choose which action I took, what would you have me do?"
What did she say in response to this?
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 20, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Now, of course I would die for my mom..
that is abnormal you are supposed to follow on from her
your mum should die for you,
you will save your child at the cost of your life
NOt the other way around
Quote from: pytheas on May 23, 2012, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 20, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Now, of course I would die for my mom..
that is abnormal you are supposed to follow on from her
your mum should die for you,
you will save your child at the cost of your life
NOt the other way around
I honestly wouldnt die for anyone. I'm selfish. And i like living at the moment.
Heh... I'd do as the person with the gun asked, meanwhile plotting extreme retribution for threatening me into doing something rather than simply asking.
As for spouse vs. kids, in my movie, everyone dies and the bad guys win. I think my movie be more realistic than the H-wood crap, no?
Quote from: Sweetdeath on May 23, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
Quote from: pytheas on May 23, 2012, 06:43:02 PM
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 20, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Now, of course I would die for my mom..
that is abnormal you are supposed to follow on from her
your mum should die for you,
you will save your child at the cost of your life
NOt the other way around
I honestly wouldnt die for anyone. I'm selfish. And i like living at the moment.
you are right, and you are also adolescent if I am not mistaken.
Honestly we die strictly for ourselves, with ourselves and from ourselves.
no one else gets to be even remotely associated or "connected" with the event-it doesn't get more personal
However, some behaviours are subconciously motivated according to an internal clock we all have
up to the age of 25 not only creating children of my own genes was an abomination but also "other people's fruits of their loins" were exceptionally disgusting.
that changed
Quote from: Sweetdeath on May 23, 2012, 07:13:44 PM
I honestly wouldnt die for anyone. I'm selfish. And i like living at the moment.
I've had a decent amount of years on my clock, I'd give up the rest so that my kids could get some decent mileage on theirs.
I'd borrow the gun and shoot your mother.
Sorry, but I have to ask. Is this even true? ???
It's just so odd to me.
Given that some people seem to need constant confirmation of one's undying loyalty, I don't see why it would be implausible.
Yes, but this example is rather extreme. Giving up one's own life to avoid cussing their mother?
If it were me, I would cuss my mother nonstop for an entire day, and knowing her I know she would consent to my decision. Don't get me wrong, I adore my mother and if our places were switched, I would consent to her cussing me without second thought.
The OP's example just makes a life seem close to worthless, but given religion, it is plausible (the idea of blasphemy is one of the most idiotic out there).
Oh, there are people out there who consider many otherwise productive lives to be worthless. Some of those may well be someone's mothers.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Sorry, but I have to ask. Is this even true? ???
It's just so odd to me.
It is of course a joke but I have noticed that levity seems to pass largely unnoticed hereabouts.
Quote from: En_Route on May 24, 2012, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 12:09:09 PM
Sorry, but I have to ask. Is this even true? ???
It's just so odd to me.
It is of course a joke but I have noticed that levity seems to pass largely unnoticed hereabouts.
I'm incredibly dense when it comes to online jokes, one could be right in front of me and I won't notice :P
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
I'm incredibly dense when it comes to online jokes, one could be right in front of me and I won't notice :P
I think it's OK to take things as they are presented, setting your scepticism at a higher level takes more energy.
Not meaning any offence to RenegeReversi, I don't know his mother but I'd wonder if the mother in the scenario is sane. Religion makes people think strange things, add Alzheimer's and maybe you'd get something like this.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 24, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
I'm incredibly dense when it comes to online jokes, one could be right in front of me and I won't notice :P
I think it's OK to take things as they are presented, setting your scepticism at a higher level takes more energy.
Not meaning any offence to RenegeReversi, I don't know his mother but I'd wonder if the mother in the scenario is sane. Religion makes people think strange things, add Alzheimer's and maybe you'd get something like this.
I was skeptical, I just didn't realise it was a joke. Maybe an outright lie or something.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 02:27:25 PM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 24, 2012, 02:24:04 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on May 24, 2012, 01:49:18 PM
I'm incredibly dense when it comes to online jokes, one could be right in front of me and I won't notice :P
I think it's OK to take things as they are presented, setting your scepticism at a higher level takes more energy.
Not meaning any offence to RenegeReversi, I don't know his mother but I'd wonder if the mother in the scenario is sane. Religion makes people think strange things, add Alzheimer's and maybe you'd get something like this.
I was skeptical, I just didn't realise it was a joke. Maybe an outright lie or something.
I didn't take it as a joke, a lie, a fable or anything. I've often gotten into philosophical conversations with my own mom -- not to this depth, but more than my share of them where I say something or she says something and the 'guilt floodgates' can easily 'pop', as RenegeReversi said. I believe he actually had this conversation with his mother, and will til he says otherwise.
Why? Well, if I'm not mistaken, he very recently deconverted from Catholicism, and recently told his mother about it. She may just be testing the waters, in her own way, to see how much he's changed/hasn't changed, and to see where he stands on certain issues.
Just a guess. I know when I deconverted, I was asked all kinds of crazy questions that were meant to reassure my family that I was still me.
Yes, it's real. I really did have this conversation with my mother. My mother is probably in her right mind, and a very kind and loving woman. Her main weakness is that she has no desire at all to question her catholic faith. Though I suppose I can't blame her. It's worked for her for her entire life, and as old as she is, I really don't think she's inclined to change that. Oh, she's Mexican too, so that's a real crocker-pot.
What happened when you asked her "If someone was holding a gun to my head, and they demanded that either I curse you or they would kill me, but you got to choose which action I took, what would you have me do?"
Quote from: Firebird on May 28, 2012, 09:01:48 PM
What happened when you asked her "If someone was holding a gun to my head, and they demanded that either I curse you or they would kill me, but you got to choose which action I took, what would you have me do?"
Um...quoting K from the new MIB movie...
Don't ask questions to which you don't want to know the answer? :-\
Actually, she sat in stunned silence for a bit, and then said that she would choose me cursing her. XD
That's good :) I was afraid after xSilverPhinx's comment that I shouldn't have pushed lest the answer was one you didn't want to tell us.
Quote from: RenegeReversi on May 31, 2012, 06:07:36 PM
Actually, she sat in stunned silence for a bit, and then said that she would choose me cursing her. XD
Does she believe you cursing her would have a supernatural effect on her?
I'm not sure how Christian cursing works. Does the curser have power or do they petition god or Beelzebub to act? I'm tempted to say this sounds rather primitive but I'm not sure if it is more crazy to everyday faith or just different crazy.
Quote from: Firebird on May 31, 2012, 07:46:17 PM
That's good :) I was afraid after xSilverPhinx's comment that I shouldn't have pushed lest the answer was one you didn't want to tell us.
Happy ending at least. Nice to see some people are still susceptible to the good old reality jolt. :D