i'm luckier than most people. my wife runs for the government so i get to vote for her. today she and i and the number two daughter went down to the precinct to vote in the presidential primary, and when i got my ballot, there she was as the democratic candidate for congress.
i confess i had forgotten that she would be there, because we had been discussing the presidential primaries instead.
if she wins and goes to the capitol, i will quit my job and run the house instead. but she won't win. lasttime she only managed 30,000 votes to her opponent's 70,000.
but where else in the world can you vote for your wife to represent you in the national government?
Some eminently qualified people do not win. Never mind that they may have more intelligence and a higher moral character , and sense of duty than whoever the ultimate winner is.
In the past two days there were some good presidential aspirants who folded their cards. Steyer, Mayor Pete, and Klobuchar. All gave up the seemingly fruitless fight. Damn! I liked all three of them.
What we have left is a strange set. Bernie and Elizabeth are pie in the sky dreamers and Biden and Mayor Mike are the ones who are being realistic. I fear that the voters will not be able to, or not choose to, separate the options with suitable common sense. I Like them all, even the pie in the sky ones. What the hell I even like Tulsi Gabbard who is the lonely, never happen, hanger on. In fact I would vote for a ham sandwich if it was possible that it could defeat Trump. Oops, never mind ham sandwich....two of the major candidates are Jewish. One must wonder if Jewish might influence some of the voters. I fear that it might.
What we need to do, more important to do, is to concentrate on the down ballot candidates. If we are not careful we will keep electing nutters like Matt Gaetz, Ted Cruz, Jim Jordan and other off the deep end goobers. If we do not wrest the Senate from the likes of Mitch McConnel then we are in for another long and painful four to six years.
old jordan has a moderate running against him in the primary and might lose.
i'd like to see warren in the white house because she best represents what i'd like to see this country become, unlikely or not.
and i would really, really like to watch her debate donald trump.
I will vote tomorrow.
No, I'm not what Trump calls, an "illegal alien." And, No, I will not put on a different hat and vote many, many, many times --either. ::)
I just finished voting. KAG.
things should fall into place after tomorrow, i hope.
Voted weeks ago by mail. Fortunately, my candidate is not one of those that dropped out.
From all the remaining candidate, I like Warren the most. Sanders would be a more interesting candidate, but I find him too old.
Quid Pro Joe will win the primary and then lose the election.
Quote from: Kusa on March 04, 2020, 01:40:37 AM
Quid Pro Joe will win the primary and then lose the election.
Please dear FSM do not let that happen. Joe may not be my favorite but I will vote for him and cajole my friends to do the same. Any one but Trump will do. I take that back. Not Pence, the Jesus incarnate one, either
Where the fuck do those Trump people get their information? From the comic books? A recent TV interview of the leader of a "Women for Trump" organization stated that Trump was more respectful of women than any previous president. The brain dead woman really meant it. The interviewer was kind enough not to ask about the pussy grabbing, Stormy Daniels, and calling one of his banished female acolytes ; Horseface, Pelosi a low IQ bitch......and so on. :foottap:
Aaaah! I feel better now.
A self proclaimed Native American woman, an atheist Jew and a townhouse cracker walk into a brokered convention.
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Yeah, I'd rather have Bernie in there, too. The chump (Trump, for those who don't know my favorite sobriquet for the turd that is currently infesting the White House) has way better lies than that meme attempts to communicate.
Quote from: Kusa on March 04, 2020, 01:40:37 AM
Quid Pro Joe will win the primary and then lose the election.
People not voting for him, or the EC screwing things up again? Biden's not my first choice -- or the second, third or fourth, for that matter -- but we're in a burning house so I'm fine with quibbling about the wallpaper later.
The chances that Trump will be re-elected are sky high. None of the democratic candidates are appealing or charismatic enough for the general public. My favourite democratic candidate was Elisabeth Warren, but she has as much charisma as a piece of furniture. Sanders seems to have the best cards against Trump, but I think he is too old and has every expensive ideas that most voters in the USA probably don't want to support. Biden, I don't like at all. I find him a bit creepy, corrupt, mentally unstable and also too old. Trump has a lot of things going for him. The state of the economy is OK, unemployment is low (especially among minority groups) and the US isn't involved in another war. Yes, he is loud, selfish, a moron and obnoxious but that doesn't seem to reduce his chances for a re-election.
Sandy. I am in favor of your analogy about the wall paper. Neither Joe or Bernie are my candidates of choice. I have previously stated that I would vote for a ham sandwich in an effort to defeat the mentally challenged tweeter in chief.
Sad to say that Hillary might have been accurately describing the unexplainably convinced Trump people when she used the ill advised descriptive word: deplorables. They are still out there and they have taken a dangerously, stubbornly, well organized defensive posture. There are a lot of them. That is a scary reality.
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
It is my most fervent hope that you are wrong. We shall see. It's only a few months away.
Quote from: Icarus on March 08, 2020, 01:49:09 AM
Sandy. I am in favor of your analogy about the wall paper. Neither Joe or Bernie are my candidates of choice. I have previously stated that I would vote for a ham sandwich in an effort to defeat the mentally challenged tweeter in chief.
Sad to say that Hillary might have been accurately describing the unexplainably convinced Trump people when she used the ill advised descriptive word: deplorables. They are still out there and they have taken a dangerously, stubbornly, well organized defensive posture. There are a lot of them. That is a scary reality.
I was a registered R for a long time, but I haven't voted that way in quite a while. With the latest insanity within the R community, I even changed my party affiliation on my voter's registration. I have no interest in associating with that feces.
I live in an open primary state. I don't have to register as an R or a D to vote. Towards the end of 2016 I was really close to registering as a D for the first time. But I waited. And watched. And listened and witnessed the "left" collectively loosing it's mind. The past four years have been a great learning experience for me.
Still independent and voted for Bernie in the primaries.
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
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Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
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Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
Quote from: Kusa on March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
So, how many of Trump's associates have been sent to prison or faced criminal charges, 14? Half of those from his campaign staff? I doubt things will be the same.
:smileshake:
With all this, he didn't gain some new voters, I think he lost voters.
QuoteI'm not saying he has a good character,
So, why vote for someone like that?
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
So, how many of Trump's associates have been sent to prison or faced criminal charges, 14? Half of those from his campaign staff? I doubt things will be the same.
:smileshake:
With all this, he didn't gain some new voters, I think he lost voters.
QuoteI'm not saying he has a good character,
So, why vote for someone like that?
Are you implying that the opposition is putting forth someone of good character?
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
So, how many of Trump's associates have been sent to prison or faced criminal charges, 14? Half of those from his campaign staff? I doubt things will be the same.
:smileshake:
With all this, he didn't gain some new voters, I think he lost voters.
QuoteI'm not saying he has a good character,
So, why vote for someone like that?
Are you implying that the opposition is putting forth someone of good character?
No. I'm not implying that.
But that's what we've been given: Biden, Sanders and Trump.
...Which one should I vote for.. ???:chin:
The one that is least likely to infringe on the bill of rights.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 01:10:52 AM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
So, how many of Trump's associates have been sent to prison or faced criminal charges, 14? Half of those from his campaign staff? I doubt things will be the same.
:smileshake:
With all this, he didn't gain some new voters, I think he lost voters.
QuoteI'm not saying he has a good character,
So, why vote for someone like that?
Are you implying that the opposition is putting forth someone of good character?
No. I'm not implying that.
But that's what we've been given: Biden, Sanders and Trump.
...Which one should I vote for.. ???:chin:
Sanders is the most honest and coherent. It's just a shame that I don't understand how the f**k his policy ideas would work. If it comes to Joe and trump I'll vote for trump. If it comes to Bernie and trump, I'll vote for Bernie.
Quote from: Mr. B on March 11, 2020, 02:44:25 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 01:10:52 AM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 11:47:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that wanted him the first 4. Probably some new voters too.
I'm not saying he has a good character, I am saying he will win.
So, how many of Trump's associates have been sent to prison or faced criminal charges, 14? Half of those from his campaign staff? I doubt things will be the same.
:smileshake:
With all this, he didn't gain some new voters, I think he lost voters.
QuoteI'm not saying he has a good character,
So, why vote for someone like that?
Are you implying that the opposition is putting forth someone of good character?
No. I'm not implying that.
But that's what we've been given: Biden, Sanders and Trump.
...Which one should I vote for.. ???:chin:
Sanders is the most honest and coherent. It's just a shame that I don't understand how the f**k his policy ideas would work. If it comes to Joe and trump I'll vote for trump.
President Trump made 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/%3foutputType=amp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/%3foutputType=amp)
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Quote from: Mr. B on March 11, 2020, 02:44:25 AM
If it comes to Bernie and trump, I'll vote for Bernie.
I can see Trump if he doesn't win:
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Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 01:34:45 AM
The one that is least likely to infringe on the bill of rights.
Good advice.
Also, don't vote for the one most likely to be accused of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress...
...Well...again. :fingertap:
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
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Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that put him there last time!
Trump appeals to the essentially selfish American Nightmare. The Democrats are a shattered shit storm of candidates that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. They don't even appear to understand the concept of a 'piss up' or brewery. They are a fucking shambles.
Honestly if I were an American I wouldn't have a clue who to vote for to keep Trump out for a second term.
Suck it up guys you're going to be fucked by the Tangerine Nightmare for another 4 years. :(
Quote from: Mr. B on March 11, 2020, 02:44:25 AMIf it comes to Joe and trump I'll vote for trump.
I haven't kept up with all the new people.
Thanks for defining yourself for me Mr B.
Quote from: Tank on March 11, 2020, 07:36:24 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 10, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 08, 2020, 02:19:15 AM
Trump will win by a landslide. Mark my words and mark them well.
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BlondLeadingGuppy-size_restricted.gif)
Who would want an incompetent and vulgar man in charge of a country for another four years?
The same people that put him there last time!
Yes, but knowing now what they didn't know then, should they/would they vote for him, again?
:P
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
That is true and funny. :grin:
They're all in their 70's.
They're all men.
They're all white.
And they all pray.
One prays to the father the son and the holy spirit, one prays to YHWH and the other one prays to Beelzebub.
i still think elizabeth warren would have made the best president.
radical enough to pursue profound changes, unlike biden.
practical enough to get them accomplished, unlike sanders.
i would have loved to see donald trump try to talk down to her on a debate stage. she would have handed him his head on a plate.
but as of last night, biden is stepping ahead and sanders is struggling to keep up.
i think this country needs radical change, but it looks like the next administration will mostly have to focus on steering the ship away from the cliffs.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
That is true and funny. :grin:
They're all in their 70's.
They're all men.
They're all white.
And they all pray.
One prays to the father the son and the holy spirit, one prays to YHWH and the other one prays to Beelzebub.
:lol: Beelzebub
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
Quote from: Tank on March 11, 2020, 07:42:54 AM
...
Suck it up guys you're going to be fucked by the Tangerine Nightmare for another 4 years. :(
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Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
Awwww... :therethere:
Yeah,
xSilverPhinx, can't you see that being a white male is difficult!?
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
I think your comment is intriguing, genuinely I do.
What is it exactly about my comment on the over representation of old, white men in power (not only in the US) that you found offensive? Does the fact that you're also a white male mean you feel the need to defend that social and political structure? Did you broaden the context to include white males (which includes you) in general?
There are so many people jumping on the 'bandwagons for the offended' these days...all it takes is a tiny and sometimes playful (because it's better to laugh than cry) jab and there they go hopping onto those things. But this isn't about me, it's about you. So let's hear out your reasons for feeling offended.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
Awwww... :therethere:
Yeah, xSilverPhinx, can't you see that being a white male is difficult!?
I do now! :grin:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 06:56:37 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 06:53:14 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
Awwww... :therethere:
Yeah, xSilverPhinx, can't you see that being a white male is difficult!?
I do now! :grin:
:grin:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
I think your comment is intriguing, genuinely I do.
What is it exactly about my comment on the over representation of old, white men in power (not only in the US) that you found offensive? Does the fact that you're also a white male mean you feel the need to defend that social and political structure? Did you broaden the context to include white males (which includes you) in general?
There are so many people jumping on the 'bandwagons for the offended' these days...all it takes is a tiny and sometimes playful (because it's better to laugh than cry) jab and there they go hopping onto those things. But this isn't about me, it's about you. So let's hear out your reasons for feeling offended.
I am for the best person winning regardless of race, gender, etc. I think people from all walks of life can be great leaders.
With that said, I feel that white males are looked down upon now. It shouldn't be that way. Instead of putting people down in order to level the playing field, we should be open minded towards anyone that possesses the proper qualities.
I have to say I have some sympathy with Kusa. I don't like it when I see people slagging off old white men as a group. It's ageist, racist and sexist. How is it different from demonising young black males as a group? That's ageist, racist and sexist is it not?
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
What am I missing here? I was talking about generalisations.
Quote from: Tank on March 11, 2020, 09:07:14 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
What am I missing here? I was talking about generalisations.
No one here is generalizing anything.
xSilverPhinx and I were commenting specifically about these 3 old white men.
Kusa said he was offended by that comment and you said you sympathized with him.
:shrug:
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
It was the observation of said facts that were put forth as the reason why they aren't good enough.
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
It was the observation of said facts that were put forth as the reason why they aren't good enough.
Um...no. :notsure:
I believe interest was lost, that's all.
Hmm ok, this is becoming a mess...
Just to be clear, I was not generalising anything with my comment on the three candidates being old, white men. I did not make any inferences on their character or capacity to be a good leader based on them being old, white men. Obviously those three characteristics they have no control over are not indicative of their competence or incompetence as a nation leader.
No, what I meant with my comment was that it's going to be more of the same old, same old. Look at the history of US presidents and tell me it isn't the case. Anyone can spot a trend there*. Is it because everyone else who isn't an old, white male is incompetent or unprepared to president? Of course not. So what is it?
Serious question, what is it? That's what I'm attacking between-the-lines here, not old, white men for being old, white men.
*(And before you mention Obama, he was an outlier, not part of the trend. What he accomplished was extraordinary.)
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 11:01:59 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on March 11, 2020, 08:36:10 PM
"ageist, racist and sexist"
The three of them are over 70.
The three of them are white.
The three of them are male.
It's an observation of the facts.
How is that offensive?
It was the observation of said facts that were put forth as the reason why they aren't good enough.
:picard facepalm: You're really reading too much into what I said.
You triggered me.
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 08:00:14 PM
With that said, I feel that white males are looked down upon now. It shouldn't be that way. Instead of putting people down in order to level the playing field, we should be open minded towards anyone that possesses the proper qualities.
I half agree with that. In the day to day life of us mere plebs I generally agree that there are better ways than putting white males down to level the playing field when it comes to opportunities and especially salaries. I believe most people, including white males, will support equal rights. Of course you get loads of socially maladjusted incels and racists as a backlash to these campaigns but that is to be expected and in an progressive society they tend to lose their voice.
However, when talking about the powerful, I think in general the people upholding the
status quo, which tend to be white males,
do not willingly share a portion of the power pie. It has to be taken from them, bit by bit.
Quote from: Kusa on March 12, 2020, 12:07:53 AM
You triggered me.
If you were part of an underprivileged group and I was referring to that group I'd understand why you'd feel a heightened sensitivity to offense. But since you're not I really don't.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
I think your comment is intriguing, genuinely I do.
Saying it is offensive is taking it more than a bit too far but the "white man" slur can be a bit grating.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 11, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 11, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
I think your comment is intriguing, genuinely I do.
What is it exactly about my comment on the over representation of old, white men in power (not only in the US) that you found offensive? Does the fact that you're also a white male mean you feel the need to defend that social and political structure? Did you broaden the context to include white males (which includes you) in general?
There are so many people jumping on the 'bandwagons for the offended' these days...all it takes is a tiny and sometimes playful (because it's better to laugh than cry) jab and there they go hopping onto those things. But this isn't about me, it's about you. So let's hear out your reasons for feeling offended.
You are displaying a bias here but that's fair enough, it is a time for affirmative action, Obama wasn't enough. It was a great shame Gore lost, it was great Obama won, it was just shameful Hillary lost.
Bernie is old but he is something new, though probably not practical I suppose.
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I lost interest from the moment it seemed like all the remaining candidates with a shot at the White House were all too male, too pale and too stale. :deadpan:
Except for Trump. He's orange. :deadpan:
As a white male, I find that a bit offensive.
Awwww... :therethere:
Yeah, xSilverPhinx, can't you see that being a white male is difficult!?
I do now! :grin:
:grin:
That isn't the first time I've heard that, poor privileged us, what have we got to complain about.
I've never seen my self as part of "us" I've never waved a flag, patted my buddies on the back when our team has won. I don't have a team I have never had a team, not for very long anyway.
We are Atheist though.
Ha, ha, the ultimate non us group, and I don't think it should have a capital.
It might be nice to be part of a minority, the belonging seems appealing to an outsider.
I wasn't gay but I've been told I was ambiguous and that wasn't always as fun as now.
I could join the reformed whites flagellating whites, TRWFW, no, maybe if they get a vowel.
Reformed Enlightened Whites Flagellating Old Whites, REWFOW,
That is better,
RooFOW! it sounds like a kangaroo ninja.
Any way I found the human condition only barely bearable since I can remember until I was about fifty, I think that is a thing. If life had an easy off switch I would have used it, I bore a grudge against evolution for not providing me one.
Evolution and elite white guys made white guys their slaves for most of history, it could be argued they still do. Yoko said it was worse for their women, no doubt it often was.
Maybe this playing the plebs against each other is an elitist strategy, it seems to serve them.
Valid points, BPII.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on March 12, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Quote from: Kusa on March 12, 2020, 12:07:53 AM
You triggered me.
If you were part of an underprivileged group and I was referring to that group I'd understand why you'd feel a heightened sensitivity to offense. But since you're not I really don't.
Those that do the white man slur put people in a group they don't associate with and don't want to be associated with. When the whities complain those doing it say "tough, now you know what it feels like." I'm don't think this helpful, I want people on side to support the things that I think need doing. I know people suffer, whip yourself or other consenting humans if you must (RooFOW not Phinx).
Quote from: Bad Penny II on March 12, 2020, 12:42:05 AM
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Maybe this playing the plebs against each other is an elitist strategy, it seems to serve them.
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sometimes this can be pretty awkward.
i'm an old white male, and i do get tired of people criticizing old white males without further distinction. unless they add another parameter, then intentionally or not, they're lumping me into whatever category that they're criticizing. whether it fits me or not.
as far as i'm concerned, that's something i'm trying to get my culture to grow out of. i don't want anybody to be judged based on their age or gender or race, no matter which group they fall into.
when i lived in southeast asia, my chinese acquaintances would carefully explain to me that the reason i smelled bad wasn't because i was white, it was because i ate a western diet. i wasn't an "old white male" back then, to them, i was a "red-haired dog" or a "white ant."
dividing people into groups based on things like race or gender when the difference is political beliefs always ends up oversimplifying what we're trying to talk about.
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
Oh, you're being criticized? I'm sorry, that's so terrible. And all black men had to deal with was barriers put in place by white men in power for centuries. Truly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police, so lets be gentle with their emotions. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity, so let's be delicate with them as they transition to being held accountable for things they did. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
Oh, you're being criticized? I'm sorry, that's so terrible. And all black men had to deal with was barriers put in place by white men in power for centuries. Truly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police, so lets be gentle with their emotions. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity, so let's be delicate with them as they transition to being held accountable for things they did. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
That's a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
Quote from: Kusa on March 12, 2020, 12:07:53 AM
You triggered me.
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I'm curious...
Which "triggered" are you talking about?
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An emotional/psychological reaction caused by something that somehow relates to an upsetting time or happening in someone's life. This reaction is often found to happen in war veterans, people suffering with PTSD, depression, and other mental disorders.
OR...or...
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"upset and annoyed"
An individual's unwillingness to accept that people have different opinions.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 13, 2020, 01:10:36 AM
Quote from: Kusa on March 12, 2020, 12:07:53 AM
You triggered me.
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I'm curious...
Which "triggered" are you talking about?
QuoteTriggered
An emotional/psychological reaction caused by something that somehow relates to an upsetting time or happening in someone's life. This reaction is often found to happen in war veterans, people suffering with PTSD, depression, and other mental disorders.
OR...or...
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"upset and annoyed"
An individual's unwillingness to accept that people have different opinions.
I was just trying to use a term that you would find familiar.
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Quote from: Magdalena on March 13, 2020, 01:10:36 AM
Quote from: Kusa on March 12, 2020, 12:07:53 AM
You triggered me.
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I'm curious...
Which "triggered" are you talking about?
QuoteTriggered
An emotional/psychological reaction caused by something that somehow relates to an upsetting time or happening in someone's life. This reaction is often found to happen in war veterans, people suffering with PTSD, depression, and other mental disorders.
OR...or...
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"upset and annoyed"
An individual's unwillingness to accept that people have different opinions.
I was just trying to use a term that you would find familiar.
You don't know me, kusa.
How can you say that?
I don't know you, that's why I asked. I don't know if you are joking or being genuine.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
Racism is more complex because there are plenty of examples, too many in fact, of middle class and affluent minority people being harassed by the police just because of their skin tone in relationship to the car they drive or the neighborhood that happen to be driving through.
But it does work both ways.
I once lived in a predominately poor black neighbor hood in Charleston S.C. At the time I was driving a sharp looking Dodge Intrepid. It was several years used but so what. It still looked fancy. So, I got pulled over driving out of my neighborhood. Typical poor neighborhood police sting kind of thing. Long story short, I was pulled over because I was white, driving a "nice" car in a poor black neighborhood. My car was searched. My friend and I were separated and questioned separately.
I wish you could have seen the surprise on the officers face when I showed him my license which proved that I lived where I said I lived.
They literally pulled me over because I was a white guy driving a halfway decent looking car in a black neighborhood because they thought I was rolling around selling drugs.
I was just heading out to pick up my future brother in law from work because he didn't have a car.
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group
Ye, some places they maybe and probably deserve to be and, well, let's not be sexist.
Lots of pales go to Bali and act oafish, halfish of them are female, maybe they're only half as oafish as the males, I don't know, an area for investigation, I'll apply for a grant from the Trump Institute.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I do feel like white men have less shit to deal
OK, in general, but, but, but... the danger of generalisation
THEY taught us racial discrimination was bad.
"Racial discrimination is any discrimination against individuals on the basis of their skin color, or racial or ethnic origin."
Is it OK now in the 2020s?
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PMwhen they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
I don't acknowledge it as an attack, it's just stupids being incomprehensibly stupid.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PMTruly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time.
Shit, fuck, Ok.
The oldest building in town is a 1820s church built by white convicts, do you know their story?
I had a daughter that didn't want to eat for a few years
I had a wife, a strong wife, wringing her hands in desperation
I've been unemployed, less than nothing, no not now praise the lord.
The deal is launching your offspring, there's always things to deal with.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police,
FALSE
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity,
Whilst non white men in power were the epitome of virtuousness.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
I tell them not to steal but they still pass of pine nuts as carrots at the self serve checkout, it's in the genes I suppose.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PMCome on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
It's not easy, we just make it look that way
Quote from: Kusa on March 13, 2020, 12:52:02 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
Oh, you're being criticized? I'm sorry, that's so terrible. And all black men had to deal with was barriers put in place by white men in power for centuries. Truly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police, so lets be gentle with their emotions. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity, so let's be delicate with them as they transition to being held accountable for things they did. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
That's a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
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Quote from: Mr. B on March 13, 2020, 01:31:30 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
[...]
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Privilege doesn't mean that people who have it have easy lives and no cares in the world.
What it is...
If you are low income, no matter what race or gender you are, you get a set of shit to deal with just like every other person who is low income. But for some minority groups, they get a an extra set of shit to deal with.
That is true with all levels of income. And white men also get their tiny bag of extra shit as well, but compared to others, it's pretty small. That's privilege. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have privilege.
That's why white men crying about being treated unfairly because they're white men are irrationally overreacting.
Quote from: Davin on March 13, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 13, 2020, 12:52:02 AM
That's a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
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Quote from: Davin on March 13, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. B on March 13, 2020, 01:31:30 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
[...]
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Privilege doesn't mean that people who have it have easy lives and no cares in the world.
What it is...
If you are low income, no matter what race or gender you are, you get a set of shit to deal with just like every other person who is low income. But for some minority groups, they get a an extra set of shit to deal with.
That is true with all levels of income. And white men also get their tiny bag of extra shit as well, but compared to others, it's pretty small. That's privilege. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have privilege.
That's why white men crying about being treated unfairly because they're white men are irrationally overreacting.
I don't think you understand poverty. That is to say I don't think you have ever experienced poverty yourself. It's not a political talking point when the cashier at Walmart huffs in disgust as you try to use your EBT card but the magnetic strip is worn out so they have to take precious time out of their busy day to manually input the 15 digit code into the card reader or even worse, if the strip doesn't work they lie and say you can't use the card to buy your groceries at all.
The fact that you argue impoverished white people still have more privilege than non white people is remarkable. The war on poverty is real, and it does not discriminate.
You may dismiss my quibble as a minor inconvenience for poor white people but would you be so bold as to proclaim that it is a minor inconvenience for poor people of color?
But I guess you are right, I should be grateful that I am white and just take my slightly smaller bag of shit and say thank you.
Quote from: Davin on March 13, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 13, 2020, 12:52:02 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
Oh, you're being criticized? I'm sorry, that's so terrible. And all black men had to deal with was barriers put in place by white men in power for centuries. Truly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police, so lets be gentle with their emotions. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity, so let's be delicate with them as they transition to being held accountable for things they did. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
That's a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
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You don't understand Kusa, Davin is on a mission from... Davin
Normal rules don't apply here. I'd post an animated pic of hippopotamus nodding and agreeing with my point, making all that that didn't agree know what utter contempt I hold for them, but I don't have one. I know a priest mentality when I see one.
Our Barack Obama not entirely white, Hilary a woman offered up last time, Bernie this time dismissed as an old white man, there's never been a Jewish president, after all they've added, I could be wrong, has there? And he's dismissed, look away, there's no diversity.
The following is a list of Jewish political milestones in the United States.
First Jewish member of a colonial legislature (South Carolina): Francis Salvador (1775) [1]
First Jewish soldier killed in the American Revolutionary War: Francis Salvador (1776)[2]
First Jewish member of the U.S. Congress (U.S. House of Representatives): Lewis Charles Levin (1845) [3]
First Jewish member of the United States Senate: David Levy Yulee (1845) [4]
First Jewish mayor of a major American city (Iowa City, Iowa): Moses Bloom (1873) [5]
Two years later, Bailey Gatzert became a mayor of Seattle (1875) [6]
First elected Jewish governor of a U.S. state: Washington Bartlett (California) (1887) [7]
First Jewish Cabinet member/Secretary of Commerce and Labor: Oscar Straus (1906) [8]
Not including Judah P. Benjamin, who served in the Confederate cabinet as Secretary of State and War [9]
First Jewish Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States: Louis Brandeis (1916) [10]
President Millard Fillmore offered to appoint Judah P. Benjamin to the Supreme Court in 1853, but Benjamin declined.[9]
First Jewish female member of the U.S. Congress/U.S. House of Representatives: Florence Prag Kahn (1925) [11]
First Jewish Secretary of the Treasury: Henry Morgenthau Jr. (1934) [12]
First person of Jewish ancestry to run for President of the United States on a major party ticket: Barry Goldwater (1964) (Goldwater's father was Jewish; Goldwater was raised Episcopalian) [13][14]
First Jewish candidate to receive an electoral vote for Vice President: Tonie Nathan of the Libertarian Party, from a faithless elector (1972) [15]
First Jewish Secretary of Defense: James R. Schlesinger (1973) [16]
First Jewish Secretary of State: Henry Kissinger (1973) [17]
First Jewish Attorney General: Edward H. Levi (1975) [18]
First Jewish female mayor of a major American city (San Francisco): Dianne Feinstein (1977) [19]
First Jewish female governor: Madeleine M. Kunin (1985) [20]
First Jewish openly gay member of the U.S. Congress/U.S. House of Representatives: Barney Frank (took office 1981, disclosed homosexuality 1989) [21]
Jared Polis was the first Jewish Congressman to be openly gay upon first election: (2009) [22]
First senate election in which both major party candidates were Jewish. (1990 Minnesota U.S. Senate Election) (1990) [23]
First independent Jewish member of the U.S. Congress/U.S. House of Representatives: Bernie Sanders (1991) [24]
First Jewish female members of the United States Senate: Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein (1993) [19]
First Jewish female Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States: Ruth Bader Ginsburg (1993) [25]
First Presiding Officer (Speaker) Of the Nassau County New York Legislature: Bruce Blakeman (1996) [26]
First Jewish female Cabinet member/United States Secretary of State: Madeleine Albright (1997) [27][28][29][30]
First Jewish nominee for Vice President of the United States on a major party ticket, and first Jewish candidate to receive an electoral vote excluding faithless electors: Joe Lieberman (2000) [31]
First Jewish elected official representing large constituency to serve past ninety years of age: David Cohen (2004) [32]
First Jewish whip in the U.S. House of Representatives: Eric Cantor (2009) (also first Jewish party whip in either house) [33]
First Jewish floor leader in the U.S. House of Representatives: Eric Cantor (2011) (also first Jewish floor leader and Majority Leader in either house) [33]
First Jewish American to win a U.S. presidential primary: Bernie Sanders, New Hampshire primary, (2016)[34][35][36][37] (Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican presidential nominee, was the first winner of Jewish heritage, but was a Christian).[38]
First Jewish American to receive an electoral vote for President: Bernie Sanders (2016, from a "faithless elector")[39]
First Jewish floor leader in the U.S. Senate: Chuck Schumer (2017)[40]
First Jewish American to win the popular vote in the first three primaries: Bernie Sanders, Iowa caucus (2020), New Hampshire primary (2020) and Nevada caucus (2020) [
Bad Penny II, I would love to stay here and talk with you, but I have to go plan your 2014 posts celebration. :grin:
Quote from: Mr. B on March 14, 2020, 01:34:56 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 13, 2020, 04:57:40 PM
Quote from: Mr. B on March 13, 2020, 01:31:30 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
[...]
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Privilege doesn't mean that people who have it have easy lives and no cares in the world.
What it is...
If you are low income, no matter what race or gender you are, you get a set of shit to deal with just like every other person who is low income. But for some minority groups, they get a an extra set of shit to deal with.
That is true with all levels of income. And white men also get their tiny bag of extra shit as well, but compared to others, it's pretty small. That's privilege. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have privilege.
That's why white men crying about being treated unfairly because they're white men are irrationally overreacting.
I don't think you understand poverty. That is to say I don't think you have ever experienced poverty yourself.[...]
It's OK to think things that are wrong. You can always correct your thinking.
Quote from: Mr. BThe fact that you argue impoverished white people still have more privilege than non white people is remarkable. The war on poverty is real, and it does not discriminate.
Yes. 12 is more than 10 even if some values are in the billions. That you can't understand that is remarkable. You might try to address my specific points instead beating around the bush like this.
Quote from: Mr. BYou may dismiss my quibble as a minor inconvenience for poor white people but would you be so bold as to proclaim that it is a minor inconvenience for poor people of color?
I did not.
Edit: I did not dismiss your quibble and I would not say anything as irrational that poverty is a minor inconvenience for anyone. People of color, women, and white men in poverty are all in the same shit as each other. However, I'm not so blind to see that white men have it a little easier because they don't have to also deal with racism intentionally and unintentionally built into the system. Black men receive sentencing lengths 19% longer on average than white men convicted of similar offenses. That's not to say it isn't shitty for the white man convicted for something stupid like pot, but there is cold hard data that shows that a black men are treated worse. That is a white privilege.
Quote from: Mr. BBut I guess you are right, I should be grateful that I am white and just take my slightly smaller bag of shit and say thank you.
Why would you do that? That's an irrational conclusion to jump to based on what I said.
Quote from: Bad Penny II on March 14, 2020, 02:03:40 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 13, 2020, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 13, 2020, 12:52:02 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
Oh, you're being criticized? I'm sorry, that's so terrible. And all black men had to deal with was barriers put in place by white men in power for centuries. Truly we should be more careful about white men's sensitive feelings when talking about them, they've had a lot of nothing to deal with for a long time. White men had to actually commit crimes to be harassed by the police, so lets be gentle with their emotions. White men in power were able to rape women with impunity, so let's be delicate with them as they transition to being held accountable for things they did. A black kid who steals $45 will spend years in prison, so let's be extra careful about how we address the problem when rich white people defraud people out of billions of dollars pick one of them to fall on their sword and has to spend a few months in house arrest. Let's try to hold back viciousness when minorities selling pot get life sentences and the white people directly responsible for the opioid epidemic have to pay less than 0.0001% of the money they made from it in fines and avoid any jail time at all.
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
That%u2019s a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
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You don't understand Kusa, Davin is on a mission from... Davin
Normal rules don't apply here. I'd post an animated pic of hippopotamus nodding and agreeing with my point, making all that that didn't agree know what utter contempt I hold for them, but I don't have one. I know a priest mentality when I see one.
I wish I could understand the point here, but nothing in your response makes sense.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Black men receive sentencing lengths 19% longer on average than white men convicted of similar offenses. That's not to say it isn't shitty for the white man convicted for something stupid like pot, but there is cold hard data that shows that a black men are treated worse. That is a white privilege.
That's not White privilege. It sounds like Black oppression.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Black men receive sentencing lengths 19% longer on average than white men convicted of similar offenses. That's not to say it isn't shitty for the white man convicted for something stupid like pot, but there is cold hard data that shows that a black men are treated worse. That is a white privilege.
That's not White privilege. It sounds like Black oppression.
It is both.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Black men receive sentencing lengths 19% longer on average than white men convicted of similar offenses. That's not to say it isn't shitty for the white man convicted for something stupid like pot, but there is cold hard data that shows that a black men are treated worse. That is a white privilege.
That's not White privilege. It sounds like Black oppression.
It is both.
Would that make it grey apathy?
Quote from: Tank on March 16, 2020, 03:47:00 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 03:34:07 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 02:13:02 PM
Black men receive sentencing lengths 19% longer on average than white men convicted of similar offenses. That's not to say it isn't shitty for the white man convicted for something stupid like pot, but there is cold hard data that shows that a black men are treated worse. That is a white privilege.
That's not White privilege. It sounds like Black oppression.
It is both.
Would that make it grey apathy?
I don't think so. The people being oppressed and the oppressors do care a lot about it.
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Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
[...]
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Privilege doesn't mean that people who have it have easy lives and no cares in the world.
What it is...
If you are low income, no matter what race or gender you are, you get a set of shit to deal with just like every other person who is low income. But for some minority groups, they get a an extra set of shit to deal with.
That is true with all levels of income. And white men also get their tiny bag of extra shit as well, but compared to others, it's pretty small. That's privilege. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have privilege.
That's why white men crying about being treated unfairly because they're white men are irrationally overreacting.
I don't think you understand poverty. That is to say I don't think you have ever experienced poverty yourself.[...]
It's OK to think things that are wrong. You can always correct your thinking.
Quote from: Mr. BThe fact that you argue impoverished white people still have more privilege than non white people is remarkable. The war on poverty is real, and it does not discriminate.
Yes. 12 is more than 10 even if some values are in the billions. That you can't understand that is remarkable. You might try to address my specific points instead beating around the bush like this.
Oh, well...why did you not address my comments about racism in your response to my comment? You dismissed a whole section with your [...]
Your specific point is that no matter how much shit a white man may have to deal with, it's little compared to basically everyone that is non white. That point that you made is what is being addressed by me and a few other people.
My point is that there are plenty of white men who suffer just as much as anyone else based on their economical position PLUS they have to bear the brunt of the blame for everyone elses racial suffering by people like you. You are pointing your finger directly in my face and blaming me for problems I did not create and have nothing to do with just because....i'm a white man.
Being a white man does not make me an oppressor and I do not appreciate being lumped into the category of "old white male oppressors" when you say shit like this.
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
You are pissing all over me and trying to convince me that it's just rain.
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Quote from: Mr. B on March 13, 2020, 01:31:30 AM
Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Come on, won't some one think of the white men? They've had it so easy for so long, so let's be extra careful with their emotions.
Not all white men are rich. The war on poverty is real and does not discriminate. Where I grew up was in a lower middle class neighborhood. My best friend lived in the projects just up the road. We're talking 99% white projects. I used to pick him up and drop him off to and from high school. Maybe once or twice a year there were mandatory police check points going into my neighborhood. Maybe two or three times a month there were mandatory police check points going into the projects.
Not all white people enjoy what you describe as white privilege.
[...]
White privilege?
Yeah, I'd like to have some please?
Privilege doesn't mean that people who have it have easy lives and no cares in the world.
What it is...
If you are low income, no matter what race or gender you are, you get a set of shit to deal with just like every other person who is low income. But for some minority groups, they get a an extra set of shit to deal with.
That is true with all levels of income. And white men also get their tiny bag of extra shit as well, but compared to others, it's pretty small. That's privilege. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have privilege.
That's why white men crying about being treated unfairly because they're white men are irrationally overreacting.
I don't think you understand poverty. That is to say I don't think you have ever experienced poverty yourself.[...]
It's OK to think things that are wrong. You can always correct your thinking.
Quote from: Mr. BThe fact that you argue impoverished white people still have more privilege than non white people is remarkable. The war on poverty is real, and it does not discriminate.
Yes. 12 is more than 10 even if some values are in the billions. That you can't understand that is remarkable. You might try to address my specific points instead beating around the bush like this.
Oh, well...why did you not address my comments about racism in your response to my comment? You dismissed a whole section with your [...]
Making direct comments to each specific thing would be a waste of time since everything that followed stemmed from your irrational assumption.
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Your specific point is that no matter how much shit a white man may have to deal with, it's little compared to basically everyone that is non white. That point that you made is what is being addressed by me and a few other people.
No, that's not my point. My point is that if we take two statistically average people, one white and one black, both will have a lot of similar shit to deal with. However the black guy will have a little bit of extra shit.
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My point is[...]
I'm not having any issues understanding your point.
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[...]that there are plenty of white men who suffer just as much as anyone else based on their economical position PLUS they have to bear the brunt of the blame for everyone elses racial suffering by people like you. You are pointing your finger directly in my face and blaming me for problems I did not create and have nothing to do with just because....i'm a white man.
No one here is one blaming you for any of this. No one is saying it's your fault or even that you bare any responsibility for it. I'm simply saying this is the way things are, because based on cold hard facts, it is the way things are.
Pus, I'm sure that having people point their fingers at you is no where near as bad as being 10 times more likely to be stopped by police and searched for no other reason than being black. If I were to put those two things on a scale, which way do you think the scale will lean?
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Being a white man does not make me an oppressor and I do not appreciate being lumped into the category of "old white male oppressors" when you say shit like this.
You're tilting at windmills.
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Quote from: Davin on March 12, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
I don't think white men are looked down upon. At least not any more than any other group. I do feel like white men have less shit to deal with so when they are "attacked" it tends to, in contrast, seem like it's a bigger thing than it is.
You are pissing all over me and trying to convince me that it's just rain.
Edit: I think it's more apt to say that you've pissed yourself and are blaming me because I told you that you smell like urine.
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That's a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That's a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That's a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That%u2019s a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
I suppose if I don't give this banal response respect it doesn't deserve, then Bad Penny II will make another incomprehensible comment about how I play by different rules or something... I'll have to learn to live it.
Pointing out that racism exists, is not racism.
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:03:18 PM
No one here is one blaming you for any of this. No one is saying it's your fault or even that you bare any responsibility for it.
[...]
Edit: I think it's more apt to say that you've pissed yourself and are blaming me because I told you that you smell like urine.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That%u2019s a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
I suppose if I don't give this banal response respect it doesn't deserve, then Bad Penny II will make another incomprehensible comment about how I play by different rules or something... I'll have to learn to live it.
Pointing out that racism exists, is not racism.
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Your point is that it is a privilege not to be black. That is pure racism right there. You dehumanize people, especially black people.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That%u2019s a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
I suppose if I don't give this banal response respect it doesn't deserve, then Bad Penny II will make another incomprehensible comment about how I play by different rules or something... I'll have to learn to live it.
Pointing out that racism exists, is not racism.
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Your point is that it is a privilege not to be black. That is pure racism right there. You dehumanize people, especially black people.
I don't think he is dehumanizing black people.
Kusa, according to you Davin is racist,
TallRed is a window licker, and I should be familiar with the term, triggered.
Quote from: Kusa on March 13, 2020, 12:52:02 AM
That's a lot of lumping people together. You sound like a racist.
Quote from: Kusa on February 01, 2020, 12:35:40 AM
Because his "friend" is a window licker.
I don't like your style.
I think I will just block you.
:sadwave:
Bye.
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Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:54:11 PM
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That%u2019s a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
I suppose if I don't give this banal response respect it doesn't deserve, then Bad Penny II will make another incomprehensible comment about how I play by different rules or something... I'll have to learn to live it.
Pointing out that racism exists, is not racism.
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Your point is that it is a privilege not to be black. That is pure racism right there. You dehumanize people, especially black people.
I don't think he is dehumanizing black people.
Me neither, and people reading too much into and distorting what other people say really annoys me, but it happens a lot and oftentimes it isn't worth correcting because some people really believe in their interpretations and assumptions, but...
Pointing out that black people living in racist societies suffer because of the colour of their skin is not racist. And it does not make the person who makes that remark a racist. When the emperor has no clothes and someone attacks the person pointing that out it's just... ::)
This is a sensitive and complex topic but there's really no point continuing if people can't keep cool and level-headed but instead throw baseless accusations around and attack each other.
well, in the meantime, tomorrow is primary election day in my state, but the governor has announced that voting will be delayed because of the plague.
then a lawsuit was filed to say no you can't.
then another lawsuit came up that says yes he can.
my number one daughter had to drive up from her college town to vote here, because her precinct lost the absentee ballot she had asked for and was not helpful.
i voted for warren in early voting weeks ago, but then she dropped out.
no telling what's going on anymore.
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Where are the forum rules? :bigspecs:
Ah, found them.
Under: Site and Forum Info.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
Your point is that it is a privilege not to be black. That is pure racism right there. You dehumanize people, especially black people.
Davin's point is that being white isn't itself a problem adding to all a white person's other problems in this society. Which he's already explained at least once (I'm not reading everything at this point).
I've often thought that Peggy MacIntosh, who coined the concept of "privilege", picked the wrong word to use because people misunderstand it so consistently. Maybe she should have used "advantage". It would be hard to deny that there isn't some advantage to being white in America, or at least no real disadvantage attached to being white.
Quote from: Magdalena on March 16, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Where are the forum rules? :bigspecs:
They're in Site and Forum Info. There's a rule against racist posts, but not against calling someone a racist. Of course, the rules as a whole haven't been updated since 2015.
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Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Where are the forum rules? :bigspecs:
They're in Site and Forum Info. There's a rule against racist posts, but not against calling someone a racist. Of course, the rules as a whole haven't been updated since 2015.
Yes, I found them, thank you.
Kusa has been given a friendly reminder of the rules already, but he continues.
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ive been an atheist/agnostic most all of my life.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
billy rubin, why is your friend laughing so hard at your comment? Just curious.
Because his "friend" is a window licker.
The three of you may know each other from elsewhere, and maybe this is an example of friendly banter. Or maybe not. This is a friendly reminder that the first rule (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=1522.0) of this site is that civility is important. Yes, it's couched as a suggestion, but that doesn't mean there are no standards. If you want to insult your fellow members, Siz has thoughtfully provided a place for that (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=16403.0). It would work out best if you go there if you need to exercise your ability to insult people. There are places on the internet where flame wars are all part of the fun, but this isn't one of them.
Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 09:15:26 PMYou are the real racist.
This is a gratuitous personalization. If your passion is such that you believe that you can't express yourself in a more civil and reasonable manner, then please simply refrain.
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Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:03:18 PM
No one here is one blaming you for any of this. No one is saying it's your fault or even that you bare any responsibility for it.
[...]
Edit: I think it's more apt to say that you've pissed yourself and are blaming me because I told you that you smell like urine.
Davin, would you like to explain why you think I shouldn't be offended when people, like you, dismiss a white man's objection to being lumped into a category when people, like you, say that white men shouldn't complain about being mocked or ridiculed for being white men?
Are there no distinctions between white men? Are we all the same? Do we all smell like R. Kelly's sheets?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8mJJJvaes
So, who do you think should win in the American primaries? Old white man Joe or old white man Bernie? Who will be president between the three old rich white men?
Quote from: Mr. B on March 16, 2020, 11:36:37 PM
So, who do you think should win in the American primaries? Old white man Joe or old white man Bernie? Who will be president between the three old rich white men?
It doesn't matter as long as we get old white man Trump out.
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Quote from: Mr. B on March 16, 2020, 11:36:37 PM
So, who do you think should win in the American primaries? Old white man Joe or old white man Bernie? Who will be president between the three old rich white men?
It doesn't matter as long as we get old white man Trump out.
For some reason, I think it does matter who we replace him with. But our choices have been made for us. There are a few people I would like to vote for in the general election but sadly, I will be "throwing my vote away" if I were to vote my conscience. Ultimately, it's going to come down to two old rich white men and you can't blame Republicans or conservatives for the choice we face.
i dont care about theiui r race or gender or age
sanders and biden are different and propose different futures. they have different abilities to make it happen.
vote for the future you want to happen
i wanted warrens future and voted for her. nobody else agreed
sanders is closer now to what i want but he doesnt have the ability to make things happen. shakes his fist at clouds.
zo i will vote for biden in the general election. i will get more of what i want with him
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Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 08:03:18 PM
No one here is one blaming you for any of this. No one is saying it's your fault or even that you bare any responsibility for it.
[...]
Edit: I think it's more apt to say that you've pissed yourself and are blaming me because I told you that you smell like urine.
Davin, would you like to explain why you think I shouldn't be offended when people, like you, dismiss a white man's objection to being lumped into a category when people, like you, say that white men shouldn't complain about being mocked or ridiculed for being white men?
Here's the thing though. The white men in power are not you. So you're choosing to attach yourself to a group you're not even in, a group that's hurting you almost as much, and then choosing to be offended when people criticize that group (that you're not in). That's not rational behavior.
Also, which do you think is worse, your feelings getting hurt, or being locked up with no evidence and having to plead guilty so that you can keep working to support your family for a few extra months? If we put those two things on a scale, which way do think the scale would lean?
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Are there no distinctions between white men? Are we all the same? Do we all smell like R. Kelly's sheets?
You're tilting at windmills. See above.
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So, who do you think should win in the American primaries? Old white man Joe or old white man Bernie? Who will be president between the three old rich white men?
Unrelated to our conversation, but sure. The people who I thought "should" win have already dropped out. Between those three options, Bernie is the best choice. Unfortunately it looks like it will end up being Biden for the Dem ticket and that is a better option than Trump. That's life, we can't control everything, sometimes we can't choose the best path, so we have to choose the better one.
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Quote from: Davin on March 16, 2020, 09:22:04 PM
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Quote from: Kusa on March 16, 2020, 08:29:11 PM
It sounds like you are saying that White people are privileged for not being Black.
That%u2019s a f@cked up thing to say or even think.
I agree that it is fucked up, however I do not agree that it's fucked up think accurately about the world.
Denying reality because you don't like how it sounds has never changed reality.
You are the real racist.
I suppose if I don't give this banal response respect it doesn't deserve, then Bad Penny II will make another incomprehensible comment about how I play by different rules or something... I'll have to learn to live it.
Pointing out that racism exists, is not racism.
I wonder if there are any forum rules against calling someone a racist in a discussion.
Your point is that it is a privilege not to be black. That is pure racism right there. You dehumanize people, especially black people.
Hey, Bad Penny II, got any more of them troll posts against me? I'm mocking this boring response as well.
primary elections in my state ended up being cancelled.
it went back and forth, then the governor played his trump card and just said No.
no date for the election yet. people can still turn in absentee ballots, but nobody new can register after today.
my governor is interesting. hes a republican, but then a week ago he departed from the conventional republican playbook and held a series of press conferences in which he plotted out a course intended to get ahead of the plague before it took hold in my region. he announced a bunch of preemptive closures andpredicted more of them. all this while the administration in the capitol appeared completely oblivious to what is going on, at best, and focused on politics and wall street, at worst.
as a general rule, republican policies and politicians don't mesh well with my view of where this country needs to go, but i will vote for this guy the next time he runs. in my opinion, having a brain and using it is way more important than what party you affiliate with.