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Title: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Curt on December 24, 2020, 03:27:01 AM
Assuming that evolution is correct, do you think that if the human race went extinct another species as intelligent as humans would eventually evolve? If life exists long enough on a planet, is intelligence and consciousness pretty much inevitable?
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: No one on December 24, 2020, 12:23:25 PM
There is no doubt that humans will go extinct. As for what comes after, what does it matter? The planet is doomed either way.

Also, there is no assumption.

Intelligence is relative to it's environment. If the environment allows for the intelligence of sentient, logical, reasoning creatures, and said creature has a need for such attributes, then yes, I'd say it's inevitable.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2020, 12:34:30 AM
Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on December 25, 2020, 01:05:05 AM
evolution doesn't necessarily lead to intelligence. th emost evoltionarily successful organisms in th eworld are th enematodes, i think, and i don't think we would call them intelligent. as for consciousness, i don't know what it is, so i don't think i could evaluate it. i don't think anybody else knows what it is either.

what is intelligence, though?  is it the ability to learn, or the ability to modify behaviours? are we intelligent because we can manipulate our environment? or are cetaceans intelligent because they don't have to? is intelligence the ability to destroy one's ecological niche, or the ability to enhance and preserve it?

i think the result f this would be to try to define intelligence, and in the end all we would decide is that intelligence is what human beings say that they have and other animals don't.

Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Icarus on December 25, 2020, 02:09:56 AM
^ Those are some heavy duty questions Billy. 
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on December 26, 2020, 02:59:45 AM
lol

i'm so deep.

my wife laughz at me becauze my memory iz so shitty. i cant remember anything but numbers.

f
sixty year old telephone numberz? sure. motorcycle serial numbers? okay. other peoples drivers license numbers? yes.

but i cant remember what i did all day yesterday.

iz that intelligent?
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Bad Penny II on December 26, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Quote from: Curt on December 24, 2020, 03:27:01 AM
Assuming that evolution is correct, do you think that if the human race went extinct another species as intelligent as humans would eventually evolve?
Probably, possibly there are already some, has been some.

QuoteIf life exists long enough on a planet, is intelligence and consciousness pretty much inevitable?
No, I don't know, fleetingly maybe, not necessarily.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Bad Penny II on December 26, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2020, 12:34:30 AM
Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)


Truth we avoid lest become No one.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 26, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 26, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2020, 12:34:30 AM
Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)


Truth we avoid lest become No one.

Oh dear, I've been channelling no one. :grin:
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 27, 2020, 04:14:13 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on December 26, 2020, 02:59:45 AM
lol

i'm so deep.

my wife laughz at me becauze my memory iz so shitty. i cant remember anything but numbers.

f
sixty year old telephone numberz? sure. motorcycle serial numbers? okay. other peoples drivers license numbers? yes.

but i cant remember what i did all day yesterday.

iz that intelligent?

:lol: You could look at it this way: your brain is specialising to remember what it thinks is important. Why remember what brand of cereal you had for breakfast when you need to remember a string of numbers? :P

(I can barely remember my own telephone number, I added it to my contacts in my phone just in case I need to look it up. Seriously, if I ever lost my mobile it would be the end of me. ::) On the other hand, I have a great memory for useless trivia and could write books on hearsay and gossip accumulated throughout the years. ::) ) 
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on December 27, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
the problem is diplomatic. my lovely wife willmake a cazual off hand remark about something. i will procesz it and then if it doesnt comeup again i will forget it.

literally MONTHS later she will add a second remark to the first, and expect me to know what she iz talking about.

if i dont immediately make the connection and generate an appropriate rezponse im iup shit creek:

WHAT? I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY!

and so she did , sort of
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: No one on December 27, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
The brain is an odd organ. Depending on which departments are up and running determines particular facets of specialty.

Years ago, around the time when Rain Man was storming through theaters, I watched a show about savants. Learning that there were idiot savants who were much like Dustin Hoffman's character, then there were prodigious savants, who were possess outstanding abilities. There was one man who could not remember how to tie his shoes, yet he played several instruments with virtuoso aptitude. Another was a carpenter, who would just look at something, and he would know it's exact dimensions, never had to measure a thing.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: xSilverPhinx on December 27, 2020, 08:09:34 PM
Quote from: No one on December 27, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
The brain is an odd organ. Depending on which departments are up and running determines particular facets of specialty.

Years ago, around the time when Rain Man was storming through theaters, I watched a show about savants. Learning that there were idiot savants who were much like Dustin Hoffman's character, then there were prodigious savants, who were possess outstanding abilities. There was one man who could not remember how to tie his shoes, yet he played several instruments with virtuoso aptitude. Another was a carpenter, who would just look at something, and he would know it's exact dimensions, never had to measure a thing.

I watched a documentary on savants a few years back, and there were so many examples of people with so called "islands of ability in a sea of disability". Most had photographic memories. There was one autistic savant who was able to memorise the entire landscape of a city and craw it from memory, down to the number of windows in the buildings. It's fascinating.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: No one on December 27, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
I forgot to mention that the guy who played all those instruments could hear a song once, and then play it.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Randy on December 28, 2020, 01:10:32 AM
Somewhere out there in the vastness of space is a galactic bug sprayer and rodent remover. He's been by Earth before hence the dinosaurs being wiped out. I expect they'll be back and eradicate humans. We're pests.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on December 28, 2020, 02:01:08 AM
lol
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on February 07, 2021, 12:47:00 AM
I'm an idiot savant.  I can see a new type of booze one time and drink it immediately.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Icarus on March 06, 2021, 01:07:15 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on December 27, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
the problem is diplomatic. my lovely wife willmake a cazual off hand remark about something. i will procesz it and then if it doesnt comeup again i will forget it.

literally MONTHS later she will add a second remark to the first, and expect me to know what she iz talking about.

if i dont immediately make the connection and generate an appropriate rezponse im iup shit creek:

WHAT? I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY!



and so she did , sort of

Billy there is an ongoing female conspiracy that we men do not understand.  My wife behaves in the same way.  She                                                                                                                                       tells me something of little consequence and expects me to remember it three months later. My lovely wife is aghast to learn that I do not want to watch Bridgerton on the tube.  She does not understand that I would much rather read a book about the importance of the Gulf Stream flow. (called Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation....AMOC for short)  I have been told that brains operate with electrical impulses of some sort.  I have determined that the female brain operates on AC current and the male brain uses mostly DC current.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Randy on March 06, 2021, 01:16:32 AM
Quote from: Icarus on March 06, 2021, 01:07:15 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on December 27, 2020, 06:54:15 PM
the problem is diplomatic. my lovely wife willmake a cazual off hand remark about something. i will procesz it and then if it doesnt comeup again i will forget it.

literally MONTHS later she will add a second remark to the first, and expect me to know what she iz talking about.

if i dont immediately make the connection and generate an appropriate rezponse im iup shit creek:

WHAT? I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY!



and so she did , sort of

Billy there is an ongoing female conspiracy that we men do not understand.  My wife behaves in the same way.  She                                                                                                                                       tells me something of little consequence and expects me to remember it three months later. My lovely wife is aghast to learn that I do not want to watch Bridgerton on the tube.  She does not understand that I would much rather read a book about the importance of the Gulf Stream flow. (called Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation....AMOC for short)  I have been told that brains operate with electrical impulses of some sort.  I have determined that the female brain operates on AC current and the male brain uses mostly DC current.
Yeah, I have to change my batteries often.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on March 06, 2021, 02:37:54 AM
Quote from: Icarus on March 06, 2021, 01:07:15 AM
  I have determined that the female brain operates on AC current and the male brain uses mostly DC current.

Quote from: Randy on March 06, 2021, 01:16:32 AM
Yeah, I have to change my batteries often.

i confess that ^^^this shit made me laugh

i don't know what to do about my wife. she's problematic, but i don't see where i can expect oteherwise.

and she' still here, working through it. as am i.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: Dark Lightning on March 06, 2021, 02:45:55 AM
There is an old FORTRAN program called SINDA. Systems Integrated Numerical Differencing Analyzer. It's still in use in various descendants. Women are SINDA. When they walk into a room, the first thing that they notice is what has changed. Guys pretty much don't care if the stuff is moved around, as long as it's still there (or not). It's weird.
Title: Re: Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another
Post by: billy rubin on March 06, 2021, 03:34:08 AM
theres more to ^^^this, right?