COVID-19

[Tom62]

Italy has surpassed China's corona death toll. Italian authorities announced 427 new deaths, pushing the total to 3,405, exceeding the 3,242 fatalities recorded in mainland China.

[Kusa]

China quit recording so the comparison is invalid.

[Recusant]

China quit recording so the comparison is invalid.

Can you cite a source for this claim?

At a press conference today, Chinese officials announced eight more deaths from the virus. Seems to me that if China were no longer keeping count then they wouldn't know the number and would not announce it.

[Kusa]

China quit recording so the comparison is invalid.

Can you cite a source for this claim?

At a press conference today, Chinese officials announced eight more deaths from the virus. Seems to me that if China were no longer keeping count then they wouldn't know the number and would not announce it.

This stuff is easy to find.

https://www.businessinsider.in/science/health/news/a-leaked-report-pegged-coronavirus-deaths-in-china-at-25000-before-aligning-with-beijings-narrative/articleshow/73980043.cms

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinas-coronavirus-victims-likely-10-times-higher-than-reported-analyst-says-155836267.html

https://gellerreport.com/2020/01/coronavirus-death-toll.html/

While Chinese Regime Claims No New Virus Infections, Citizens Say Many Are Still Sick

https://link.theepochtimes.com/while-chinese-regime-claims-no-new-virus-infections-citizens-say-many-are-still-sick_3278515.html

[Recusant]

It's notable that neither of the reputable sources you cited supports your claim. They speak of suspicions regarding China under-reporting cases and deaths. Those suspicions are legitimate, but they do not establish that "China quit recording."

The other two sources -- I can only laugh. Pam Geller is a known xenophobic fruit-loop who pushes disinformation ("Obama was definitely born in Kenya, and is secretly a Muslim!!!"). The Epoch Times is likewise a source of disinformation, pushing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.

[billy rubin]

https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/

[Kusa]

It's notable that neither of the reputable sources you cited supports your claim. They speak of suspicions regarding China under-reporting cases and deaths. Those suspicions are legitimate, but they do not establish that "China quit recording."

The other two sources -- I can only laugh. Pam Geller is a known xenophobic fruit-loop who pushes disinformation ("Obama was definitely born in Kenya, and is secretly a Muslim!!!"). The Epoch Times is likewise a source of disinformation, pushing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.

Do you believe the Chinese government?

[Recusant]

It's notable that neither of the reputable sources you cited supports your claim. They speak of suspicions regarding China under-reporting cases and deaths. Those suspicions are legitimate, but they do not establish that "China quit recording."

The other two sources -- I can only laugh. Pam Geller is a known xenophobic fruit-loop who pushes disinformation ("Obama was definitely born in Kenya, and is secretly a Muslim!!!"). The Epoch Times is likewise a source of disinformation, pushing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.

Do you believe the Chinese government?

I think it is reasonable to suspect that the Chinese government has not been completely honest about what's going in in China, so I won't say that I believe them.

That is different than asserting something as fact without having reliable evidence to support the assertion. If for instance you had said "I doubt that the Chinese are reporting accurate numbers to the world" I probably wouldn't have questioned the basis for your doubt. As the Yahoo reporter noted, the Chinese government has in the past failed to provide accurate information regarding the effects of disease outbreaks in China. If I asserted that they're being dishonest right now or are purposely failing to report an accurate number I would not be able to provide definitive evidence, and you have not changed that.

The fact that you uncritically cited disreputable sources is not reassuring.

[Dark Lightning]

https://howmuchtoiletpaper.com/

Those boys probably don't have hemorrhoids.

[jumbojak]

Being jobless with no prospect of finding employment is a strange feeling. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared.

[No one]

Maybe, if we're all good little boys and girls, Hovind, Hamm, and Comfort, will pray the virus away.

[Tank]

Being jobless with no prospect of finding employment is a strange feeling. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared.

I would be as well. Pecker up! We know you are worth it!

[Tank]

It's notable that neither of the reputable sources you cited supports your claim. They speak of suspicions regarding China under-reporting cases and deaths. Those suspicions are legitimate, but they do not establish that "China quit recording."

The other two sources -- I can only laugh. Pam Geller is a known xenophobic fruit-loop who pushes disinformation ("Obama was definitely born in Kenya, and is secretly a Muslim!!!"). The Epoch Times is likewise a source of disinformation, pushing conspiracy theories and pseudoscience.

Do you believe the Chinese government?

No. But given your sources I don't believe you either.

[billy rubin]

i grew up in asia and spent more than a little time exposed daily to the face culture of chineze society. in chinese social and olitical relatuonships, it is more important to look good than to be good. when you make an error, you deny it. anz when kther people makez errors you accept their denials.  its how the socity works.

this obtains whether youre talking about the backyard foundariez of the the failed grwat leap forward, the military atrocitiez of tienamen zquare, or the inability of a regional factory manager to make his quota.

i dont know the truth about tbe corona viruz in china, but i would be astonizhed if tbe governement narrative is accurate. its not how the chineze think. remember tbe first response of the regional and national governments to the virus was to lie about it. i zee no reason to think tbey are any different now.

[jumbojak]

Being jobless with no prospect of finding employment is a strange feeling. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared.

I would be as well. Pecker up! We know you are worth it!

It'll be tough to pecker up. I'm not sure when I'll be able to see this girl again...