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Title: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on June 28, 2021, 10:25:06 PM
Either way, admirable for being willing to speak up. I don't know if Ismail Mohammed considers himself a "preacher"-- I suspect that it's just the author of the piece being clueless.

"Meet The Middle East’s Atheist Preacher" | The Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-middle-easts-atheist-preacher)

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Ismail Mohammed is a YouTube preacher who’s trying to turn Middle Easterners into believers–in atheism.

Mohammed, 30, left Islam three years ago but he has become evangelical about his new faith. He created his YouTube channel, Black Ducks, in his Cairo home with no more than a computer, speakers and a simple 8 ½ by 11 piece of paper displaying the show’s logo. Muslims across the region spend an hour with Mohammed describing why they left Islam and how the navigate a region where religion is seeped in every pore.

The videos’ production levels are shoddy but the implications are revolutionary in a region in which some countries, like Saudi Arabia, consider atheism a form of terrorism. Many believe leaving Islam should be met with death. Questioning faith, for some, is a form of insulting faith.

“There are people who believe I left Islam so I must be killed. But maybe if more and more atheists speak up, there will be less pressure and threats,” Mohammed told The Daily Beast.

Mohammed’s show is part of a proliferation of pro-atheist channels, magazines and blogs across the Middle East is arguably the latest iteration of Arab Spring. When Arab youth once sought to overthrow regimes, they now are embracing small, more tangible gains like freedom of expression.

[Continues . . . (https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-middle-easts-atheist-preacher)]

Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Icarus on June 29, 2021, 12:22:31 AM
If this guy is for real, I would like to buy him a beer.   

He is flirting with disaster according to my understanding of the Muslim faith. 
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Tank on June 29, 2021, 11:08:08 AM
He has a Facebook page as well https://www.facebook.com/ismaeel
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 09, 2021, 02:08:03 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 09, 2021, 04:58:49 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: No one on July 09, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
Not actual BS, christians can be Sikhs just like deaf people can be hearing, or short people can be really tall.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 09, 2021, 06:10:47 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.
So, what you're saying is, you have no self control at being a decent person toward others.
Please give your interpretation of human nature.
And Humane vs inhumane.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 09, 2021, 06:58:27 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.
So, what you're saying is, you have no self control at being a decent person toward others.
Please give your interpretation of human nature.

More BS. I addressed the content of the post and said nothing about you. Both that post and this subsequent post are basically recitals of category errors.

I'm not here to dance to your noise.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: No one on July 09, 2021, 08:18:38 PM
Why should I consider being a decent towards others?  Humans suck!

Many use their wish granting magic sky pixie to justify their narrow minded hatred. The huly buuks deem it so.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 09, 2021, 08:34:49 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.
So, what you're saying is, you have no self control at being a decent person toward others.
Please give your interpretation of human nature.

More BS. I addressed the content of the post and said nothing about you. Both that post and this subsequent post are basically recitals of category errors.

I'm not here to dance to your noise.
Then you shouldn't have stepped out onto the dance floor. :-) I'm an Atheist. There's no super human being running the universe, such an entity isn't needed to be a decent person toward others. Even if there was he's useless. Every person has the power to decide to be what interests them or what they're naturally drawn to. No one is any different. No reply necessary.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 09, 2021, 09:06:11 PM
Why should I consider being a decent towards others?  Humans suck!

Many use their wish granting magic sky pixie to justify their narrow minded hatred. The huly buuks deem it so.
It's something like a gene pool, as I see it. Everyone swims in the same pool, and at points they meet. The offspring may result in love or hate. There's saying in and ancient understandings, the more one tries to stay to the out side the more one gets closer the middle.
I agree with you. Religions and civil governments are strictly man made and need an authority above themselves to claim they receive authority from the higher concocted being to rule in his/her/its stead. What we have today is an inheritance that came through the millennia and still with us today.  The original ones that concocted this mess were haters. I understand your grievance.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 12, 2021, 05:08:09 AM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.

First, it's preaching. The mangy gospel of the Smurfs, proclaimed from parts unknown. Generally preaching here is not looked upon kindly. If I were more of an officious arse, I'd make a point of using moderator red, rather than just blowing a raspberry at the twaddle.

"Atheists can be Christian too" is not technically true, nor is it colloquially true. Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus. They can believe all sorts of other nonsense, but acknowledging the incarnation of the Jewish god on Earth is not negotiable.

An atheist might believe that Jesus spoke great wisdom, might even try to emulate Jesus to the best of their ability. That does not make them a Christian, since atheists do not believe in divine personages of any stripe.

All the hand-waving in the world is not going to change these facts, and proclamations to the contrary are bullshit.

"Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person."  Yeah, tell that to the Humanists. Tell it to the Christians. Maybe the Humanists would nod sagely, and maybe the Christians wouldn't burn the preacher for heresy anymore, but any sensible atheists will laugh and call it for what it is--bullshit.

"JC was an example of such." In the myth of the Christians, Jesus makes it abundantly clear that he is a "Heavenly based person" who is slumming on this planet, bringing the good news of eternal salvation and eternal damnation to the dearly beloved children of his bloodthirsty father. The Bible tells us that he is a god who has taken the form of a man. In the myth Jesus announces unequivocally that his "base" -- his "kingdom" is not of this world.

"One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider." I'm not going to sugar coat this: Humans are animals. Human minds are animal minds. A false dichotomy isn't wisdom, it's bullshit.

"The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems." I don't know what other sort of mentality might exist in human populations. Terrible social problems are how humans mostly do things. Yes, it's disgusting, but you play the hand you're dealt, or not. The implicit claim that there is some other way for humans to think than the human way is bullshit.

I've read the preaching of the Smurfs, and I reject it. A laconic rejection may be less of a waste of time than a verbose one, but they come down to the same thing.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Bad Penny II on July 12, 2021, 09:40:49 AM
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Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 12, 2021, 06:48:08 PM
Atheists can be Christian too. Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person. JC was an example of such. One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider. The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems.

A post chock full of BS.

First, it's preaching. The mangy gospel of the Smurfs, proclaimed from parts unknown. Generally preaching here is not looked upon kindly. If I were more of an officious arse, I'd make a point of using moderator red, rather than just blowing a raspberry at the twaddle.

"Atheists can be Christian too" is not technically true, nor is it colloquially true. Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus. They can believe all sorts of other nonsense, but acknowledging the incarnation of the Jewish god on Earth is not negotiable.

An atheist might believe that Jesus spoke great wisdom, might even try to emulate Jesus to the best of their ability. That does not make them a Christian, since atheists do not believe in divine personages of any stripe.

All the hand-waving in the world is not going to change these facts, and proclamations to the contrary are bullshit.

"Christianity is not a religion it's being a Humanly based person."  Yeah, tell that to the Humanists. Tell it to the Christians. Maybe the Humanists would nod sagely, and maybe the Christians wouldn't burn the preacher for heresy anymore, but any sensible atheists will laugh and call it for what it is--bullshit.

"JC was an example of such." In the myth of the Christians, Jesus makes it abundantly clear that he is a "Heavenly based person" who is slumming on this planet, bringing the good news of eternal salvation and eternal damnation to the dearly beloved children of his bloodthirsty father. The Bible tells us that he is a god who has taken the form of a man. In the myth Jesus announces unequivocally that his "base" -- his "kingdom" is not of this world.

"One can only be Human or animal minded, there is no other to consider." I'm not going to sugar coat this: Humans are animals. Human minds are animal minds. A false dichotomy isn't wisdom, it's bullshit.

"The populations of the world are mentally animal based. Hence, terrible social problems." I don't know what other sort of mentality might exist in human populations. Terrible social problems are how humans mostly do things. Yes, it's disgusting, but you play the hand you're dealt, or not. The implicit claim that there is some other way for humans to think than the human way is bullshit.

I've read the preaching of the Smurfs, and I reject it. A laconic rejection may be less of a waste of time than a verbose one, but they come down to the same thing.
I do not write this in anger or attempt to be deliberately offensive. For the last several weeks I've been working emails, and that is why I haven,t been around much recently. Last night and one this morning disagree with your accusation that I was preaching, and your rude character has been noticed by passers by. I made a short statement and let it be, that's not preaching.They have been studying our site for some time, and yes, an Atheist can claim to be a Christian by today's standards, they are proof of it. When they spent time on the page that points this out they came to an understanding. From other emails we've received show that the idea is spreading and--- you'll still have to deal with it at a future time, it's not going away.   
What one writes and says is representative of that person, and to say their input is BC is the same as saying the person is BS, But we expect it and I'm not intimidated by it but they took exception to it.
If you have disdain for my input you have your options.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 12, 2021, 07:03:20 PM
Oh, your associates take offense, do they? Good for them. That and five dollars will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 12, 2021, 09:58:03 PM
Oh, your associates take offense, do they? Good for them. That and five dollars will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Well, I have to say, you've proved us correct. They aren't exactly associates. They're from your sites guest list. You're hurting your site with this. How is anyone going to post here if they're going to get their guts kicked out. But, I'll cut it here and leave you in peace.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Dark Lightning on July 12, 2021, 10:12:46 PM
emails to you, oldseer? I wasn't aware that guests were able to do that with members here.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 12, 2021, 10:26:30 PM
Oh, your associates take offense, do they? Good for them. That and five dollars will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
Well, I have to say, you've proved us correct. They aren't exactly associates. They're from your sites guest list. You're hurting your site with this. How is anyone going to post here if they're going to get their guts kicked out. But, I'll cut it here and leave you in peace.

You mean to say that no other Smurfs will come to spread the Smurf gospel here? You're breaking my heart, man.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 13, 2021, 01:00:26 AM
emails to you, oldseer? I wasn't aware that guests were able to do that with members here.
The email address is on our website. In case anyone had questions I could give a short answer and they could email for the rest and discuss things there--to avoid preaching here. It was put there about 3 months ago. It was gone for a while. The site address is down at the bottom, the email address is on the site.
Other Seers show up here as a guest but they're not members that I know of. But they mostly look to see what I'm posting.  I'm just the public face of the works.  The other remain out of sight remaining anonymous.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Magdalena on July 13, 2021, 08:20:28 AM
...You're hurting your site with this. How is anyone going to post here if they're going to get their guts kicked out. But, I'll cut it here and leave you in peace.

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Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: No one on July 13, 2021, 05:37:15 PM
Does anyone else feel like dancing? The love in here is palpable.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 13, 2021, 06:30:00 PM
For everyone's' information, I hope this settles the reason of our mission.
Christianity's mission is the remove and destroy all governments and religions.  If successful, what is left---Atheism. This is why we approach Atheists with these understandings. JC was not a Jew, he is a replica of Adam, Adam was not Jewish and did not have a religion. What does that make JC? The fall of Adam is when "they" created religion. It is all in a context that is very hard to understood, unless one understands the ancient mindset. We do.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Recusant on July 13, 2021, 11:06:51 PM
More preaching. Relevant phrase here is "shake the dust from your sandals."
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Bad Penny II on July 14, 2021, 12:33:09 PM
For everyone's' information, I hope this settles the reason of our mission.
Christianity's mission is the remove and destroy all governments and religions.  If successful, what is left---Atheism. This is why we approach Atheists with these understandings. JC was not a Jew, he is a replica of Adam, Adam was not Jewish and did not have a religion. What does that make JC? The fall of Adam is when "they" created religion. It is all in a context that is very hard to understood, unless one understands the ancient mindset. We do.

Hey, that's pretty good.  :thumbsup:

Do you want to hear my one, no?
Doesn't matter, I didn't want to here yours either.

So Isaac Newton did all the stuff he is known for, and also dabbled in alchemy, trying to do the base metal to gold thing.
But he failed, then got a job in the treasury and had Britain adopt the gold standard, paying for imports with gold.
You might think this sounds suspicious, and of course it is.
Isaac did find a way to turn metal into gold and Britain dominated the world, often taking over countries so they could launder the gold Isaac was making.
India wasn't really a profitable proposition but they pretended it was to maintain the secret. 
The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies has always known this.

Sir Isaac Newton 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1726

The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies also knows Newtonian Gold, like Leprechaun gold is unstable and reverts to base metal after 300 years.
Isaac renewed the gold he made while he lived through the ether but he guarded his secret jealously and shared it with no one.
The order can't fault him for that, not after the trouble he had with that thieving German chap Leibniz.

So what we know is most, probably at least 85% of gold will revert to base metal in the next five years, you can't trust any of the ingots in circulation, however they're stamped.

What a clever person would realize, and I know you're a clever person, this is an opportunity.
We want new gold? Ye, but not quite, we want stock in gold producers.

The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies Gold Mining Company NL is being floated, get on board while you can, tell no one.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 14, 2021, 07:02:38 PM
For everyone's' information, I hope this settles the reason of our mission.
Christianity's mission is the remove and destroy all governments and religions.  If successful, what is left---Atheism. This is why we approach Atheists with these understandings. JC was not a Jew, he is a replica of Adam, Adam was not Jewish and did not have a religion. What does that make JC? The fall of Adam is when "they" created religion. It is all in a context that is very hard to understood, unless one understands the ancient mindset. We do.

Hey, that's pretty good.  :thumbsup:

Do you want to hear my one, no?
Doesn't matter, I didn't want to here yours either.

So Isaac Newton did all the stuff he is known for, and also dabbled in alchemy, trying to do the base metal to gold thing.
But he failed, then got a job in the treasury and had Britain adopt the gold standard, paying for imports with gold.
You might think this sounds suspicious, and of course it is.
Isaac did find a way to turn metal into gold and Britain dominated the world, often taking over countries so they could launder the gold Isaac was making.
India wasn't really a profitable proposition but they pretended it was to maintain the secret. 
The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies has always known this.

Sir Isaac Newton 25 December 1642 – 20 March 1726

The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies also knows Newtonian Gold, like Leprechaun gold is unstable and reverts to base metal after 300 years.
Isaac renewed the gold he made while he lived through the ether but he guarded his secret jealously and shared it with no one.
The order can't fault him for that, not after the trouble he had with that thieving German chap Leibniz.

So what we know is most, probably at least 85% of gold will revert to base metal in the next five years, you can't trust any of the ingots in circulation, however they're stamped.

What a clever person would realize, and I know you're a clever person, this is an opportunity.
We want new gold? Ye, but not quite, we want stock in gold producers.

The Grandiose Marvinic Order of Pudding Pennies Gold Mining Company NL is being floated, get on board while you can, tell no one.
I understand that. But, their are past posters of this site that do want to comment on the new interpretation. And some in the guest gallery. But they won't for fear of being attacked and charged with preaching, and don't want others to know they agree with us. I didn't know that until I went to our email account and to delete all ads as that's all it normally contained. I happened to notice one from a poster on this site among the ads and couldn't figure out how he/she got our email address, and ID's him/herself as a poster on HAF. it was the H.A.F that caught my attention.  I didn't know there was one on our site, someone put it there. It took a bit of logic to understand there's only one possibility. I checked the site and there is was. That compelled me to look over the trash folder to see if there were any more and there where others. I spent a lot of time finding them and responding. The other day 2 more showed up. Now they don't have to worry about asking questions on your site. One of the guys was on the ball to see the value in putting it on the site.  That means they were aware of the problem and was done so due to respect and sensitivity toward the sites wishes. 
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Dark Lightning on July 14, 2021, 07:48:56 PM
If they don't come to preach, "they" can indulge in rational conversation. If their beliefs are challenged, they have to be able to handle that. This has to be the most low-key atheist forum I've ever been a member of.
Title: Re: Brave, Foolhardy, or Both
Post by: Old Seer on July 14, 2021, 09:47:02 PM
If they don't come to preach, "they" can indulge in rational conversation. If their beliefs are challenged, they have to be able to handle that. This has to be the most low-key atheist forum I've ever been a member of.
I understand that, but that's not the problem. If I answer a question, that can be construed as preaching. Consider what happened on this thread. All I did was respond to the OP with a short post, and, it was deemed preaching. If I was preaching it would have been a lot more involved then that. It seems there's no reason to have a religion form on the site, no one dare use it. So let's let things be, an OS somewhere solved the problem. I'll just stick to the science stuff I'm into that too.