Much in the news now about how much Islamists influence politics in the UK.
Conservative MP Lee Anderson claims that Sadiq Khan the Mayor of London is now under the control of Islamists.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68392621
Here are some statistics for the number Muslims in areas, and all are in England.
London Borough of Tower Hamlets 39.9% 123,912
Blackburn with Darwen 35.0% 54,146
London Borough of Newham 34.8% 122,146
Luton 32.9% 74,191
London Borough of Redbridge 31.3% 97,068
City of Bradford 30.5% 166,846
Birmingham 29.9% 341,811
Slough 29.4% 46,661
Pendle 26.0% 24,900
Metropolitan Borough of Oldham 24.4% 59,031
Leicester 23.5% 86,443
London Borough of Waltham Forest 21.6% 60,157
Highlighted Birmingham because I'm not far away.
UK's second largest city can only get more Islamic.
White English people have been pushed out to neighbouring towns, as is also the case with Leicester and Bradford.
Anti-Semitism is a fact of life with stabbings.
From a personal point of view, it feels very scary now.
id be scared too if i didnt know the difference between muslims and islamists.
A few days ago this anti-Semitic message was projected on to Big Ben tower at the Houses of Parliament and the police did nothing.
From the river to the sea.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13115451/Outrage-genocide-message-projected-Big-Ben-Jewish-pro-Palestine.html
A few months ago I was travelling by train in Birmingham.
an incident on the train forced me to alight at the next station to report it.
Member of staff at station told me I need not bother.
I noticed he was wearing a Jewish skull cap but thought nothing of it.
Told me how he was stabbed at the station and also on a bus.
The police were not interested.
Muslim vigilantes take to streets of London in 2013.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2523658/Muslim-campaigners-protest-sale-alcohol-popular-East-London-area.html
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Quote from: billy rubin on February 25, 2024, 01:24:08 PMid be scared too if i didnt know the difference between muslims and islamists.
There is more to it than potential for terrorism though. I suppose it all comes down to integration. If someone is British, and happens to be Muslim, then I'd say there is no problem. If someone is Muslim who happens to have a British passport - then there
may be one.
That's one thing I've learned watching americans online. If enough people are culturally not of their nation of residence, national cohesion must suffer.
It's a pretty big issue to unpack, and when I do it, I tend to offend the globally-minded, but I shall engage if the interest is there.
Taking the case of Blackburn, #2 in above list.
The term ghettoization appears in this article.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673789/Blackburn-Islam-muslim-community-rise-of-the-burka-Koran-religion
In the case of Luton #4, it has been reported that daughters have been taken away from their families and that's the last their parents have seen of them.
@Asmo - please do engage.
a major part of the problem is saudi wahabiism.
the saudi madrasses have been teaching wahabi for a generation now.
its not a good thing. theyve got madrasses allnover the world under the guise of traditional schooling. but the wahabi philosophy is ascetic and harsh. used to be saudi only but now its worldwide because of their money
I think cultural isolation is a contributing factor there as well, even if intentional and/or self-imposed.
When in Rome, parlo italiano. :smilenod:
Members of UK parliament now to get extra security.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/james-cleverly-mps-rishi-sunak-lindsay-hoyle-chris-philp-b2503604.html
Not all of it is connected to religion, but I suspect most of it is.
https://www.westminstersecurity.co.uk/close-protection/bodyguards/mps-security/
UK now descending into anarchy by Muslims.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mp-security-government-missing-point-b2503926.html
I read this;
QuoteHe said that he would "do whatever it requires to protect our democracy and our values that we all hold dear".
...and assumed that people were protesting some government-related whatnots within the nation. "Not my prime minister" or what other buzzwordy foolishness have you. But then,
QuoteGaza
:sad sigh:
I think that as long as the protests are peaceful, they should be left to it. When they turn nasty, especially (but not limited to) if there is harm to private citizens or their property, then dispersing the protest is the way to go. Whatever the case, any rioters, looters or vandals within the protest should in my opinion be prosecuted.
I also think that governments can be better at telling the protesters, "we heard you. Not happening. Go home." But I do see the flipside of that in that a bad faith protestor would use that as an excuse to turn riotous, but the upside is that then you could lower the bar for dispersing a crowd - possibly to the point where actual protest-related crime can be avoided.
Let things be decided at the ballot box, as is intended in a democratic society. [The threat of] a riot/revolt/revolution is not a counter-balance to government tyranny - actual or perceived - a
vote is. (There are cases where that does not hold true, but in such, you likely have a dictatorship or a nation already on the brink of a civil war)
Quote from: zorkan on February 29, 2024, 12:51:50 PMUK now descending into anarchy by Muslims.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mp-security-government-missing-point-b2503926.html
what is it about the british government that allows them to parade their fascism so publicly?
werent the murders of the irish during the troubles enough of a red flag? the imprisonments without charges, for years?
london became a surveillance fish tank years ago. now the politicians are whinging that the people object to their policies in public and have the temerity to protest directly to the authors of the injustice.
sorry, my government is fucked, but we havent yet caught up to the british version.
From where I sit, the UK government is not even Fascist-like.
They have some elements of it, but it may be worth remembering that the UK "does not have" (explanation follows) the freedom of expression - nor does Norway, for that matter. (Our constitution says that it "should be respected," not that it must not be infringed upon by the government) The US is pretty unique that way.
In that light, if it is legally prudent to imprison a "random" teenager for something said on the Internet, why should it then not be so to imprison a protester for something said at a rally, as long as it meets the relatively-broad criteria for hate speech or the somewhat-more-narrow criteria for a threat?
The devil in the details: from what I can see, they are not trying to ban protest as such, only harden their approach to certain expressions of it. This is in essence no different to hate speech laws. The government does not mandate what you must say, but may place a limit on what you may say and how. Personally, I like the American 1st Amendment and wouldn't mind having its like in our own constitution, but I think if put to a vote, the majority of people would like to keep government oversight over individual expression - also when it is non-violent, and so here we are, stuck with "should."
There is hate speech. There is speech that you hate. If you can curtail one by calling it the other... Well, people would.
QuoteAnew consensus has emerged in British politics: peaceful protesters are dangerous, hateful extremists, but apologists for the mass slaughter of tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians are mainstream, respectable moderates. From his prime ministerial bully pulpit, Rishi Sunak declares there is a "growing consensus" that "mob rule is replacing democratic rule". The world has been turned upside down, and you are entitled to ask why.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/29/britain-israel-war-palestinians-gaza
My dude...
Owen Jones? For reals?
...I may get into it, but there is something comforting in seeing Owen still being as full of ideological manure as he used to be in them good old days.
Pro Palestinian anti-Semite wins Rochdale by-election yesterday.
A man who once flew the Palestinian flag over council offices in Dundee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-68402672
Labour had to pull out their candidate after a conspiracy theory.
https://news.sky.com/story/labour-candidate-fell-for-online-conspiracy-theory-about-hamas-attacks-shadow-minister-says-13069951
Since when has British politics ever been dull?
Prime Minister speech from yesterday.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/01/extremists-trying-to-tear-us-apart-says-rishi-sunak-in-impromptu-no-10-speech
The Guardian is a leftist newspaper.
He should have auditioned for Cats.
When the latest Member of Parliament met Saddam Hussein this is what he said.
George Galloway told Saddam Hussein: "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability ... I can honestly tell you that there was not a single person to whom I told I was coming to Iraq and hoping to meet with yourself who did not wish me to convey their heartfelt, fraternal greetings and support."
Quote from: zorkan on March 03, 2024, 02:38:34 PMGeorge Galloway told Saddam Hussein: "Sir, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability ... I can honestly tell you that there was not a single person to whom I told I was coming to Iraq and hoping to meet with yourself who did not wish me to convey their heartfelt, fraternal greetings and support."
Yeah, but did he want something? Because that sounds remarkably ass-kissy, even for a British politician. :smilenod:
Galloway sworn in as MP yesterday.
I wonder if they asked him about his tribute to Saddam Hussein?
https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=2761722&page=1
Amazing what you can get away with in the name of religion.
Extremism discussed in Parliament today, specifically aimed at Muslims who want to undermine the UK democracy that has been built up in the last 100 years.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-strengthens-approach-to-counter-extremism#:~:text=Extremism%20is%20the%20promotion%20or,democracy%20and%20democratic%20rights%3B%20or
not everybody over there is enthusiastic about the how the UK has ruled the region for the last 100 years.
just sayin.
Irish independence gained in 1921.
Queen Elizabeth born 1926.
So what is it you are referring to?
i lived in britain during tbe troubles.
i am referring to the conflict between all irish and their colonizers. the imprisonment of citizens for as long as eight years without charges or trial. assassinations, gun battles in tbe streets.
we could also refer to the british slaughter at amritsar. the tortures and death in kenya during the mau mau. the concentration camps during the malay emergency. the hostility to the royal family during their recent visit to their former colonies in the caribbean.
and on and on. UK democracy has a very checkered history over the last 100 years that is worth remembering. america is no better and may be much worse very soon.
...And yet The Empire(tm) was also the mover of progress.
It's a bit like the more-recent Soviet Union. While most were happy to see it burn, a lot of people starved when it did. I think it's perfectly fine to gloat about the one as long as one does not hand-waive the other.
Few stories are their surface-level buzzwords - and those that are, are usually the stories not worth their listeners' time.
Quote from: billy rubin on March 14, 2024, 05:08:07 PMi lived in britain during tbe troubles.
i am referring to the conflict between all irish and their colonizers. the imprisonment of citizens for as long as eight years without charges or trial. assassinations, gun battles in tbe streets.
we could also refer to the british slaughter at amritsar. the tortures and death in kenya during the mau mau. the concentration camps during the malay emergency. the hostility to the royal family during their recent visit to their former colonies in the caribbean.
and on and on. UK democracy has a very checkered history over the last 100 years that is worth remembering. america is no better and may be much worse very soon.
Okay, I do get the point.
Raise a glass for the IRA.
https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/troubles/troubles_stats.html
Killing in the name of Christ. That's why I'm atheist.
ireland is a special kind of mess.
Ireland was the only nation that never persecuted the Jews having never let them in. Old jokes are the best.
In the case of the great moral USA.
Vietnam War Casualty Estimates:
U.S. troops 58,220
North Vietnamese troops 1.1 million
South Vietnamese troops 200,000 - 250,000
Vietnamese civilians 2 million
that leaves out the cambodians and laotians, who are still dying from vintage american cluster bomblets.
iirc the conservative estimate for viet cong mia is 250,000.
we had no business being there and did nothing but damage. like invading iraq the second time which only created isis and removed the main counterbalance to iran.
i remember when we bombed cambodia to try to disrupt the ho chi minh trail. a peaceful adjacent nation with no power to extricate itself from either hanoi or washington.
nixon kept the bombing secret from the american public, but i was living in southeast asia, and pictures of the little pineapple cluster bomblets were all over the straits times. those anti personell bomblets are still there, still killing people every day.
our contribution to world peace. along with my lai.
America spreads its tentacles around the world only when it suits it to do so.
A feature of America First is non-intervention.
"Problem is, the whole world economy runs on oil, not just the US. And the US economy doesn't function without the rest of the world to trade with.
China, for instance is the world's largest net importer of oil, and consumes about a million barrels per day of oil from the KSA. That oil is turned into many things - including the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of goods the US imports from China every year.
So the United States isn't in bed with various unpleasant governments in the Gulf because the US needs the oil directly. It's in bed with those governments because the US wants the world economy to work on America's terms, and that means overseeing the flow of Gulf oil to the rest of the world."
We'll fight them on the beaches:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil
if trump wins the american election we re going to see a lot of realignments. the unted states props up a bunch of states that may or may not be worth propping up
QuoteIn reality, foreign assistance typically makes up less than 1% of the trillions of dollars in federal spending. Still, the U.S. gives more money in foreign aid in total dollars than any other country in the world, distributing more than $640 billion globally from 2012 through 2022.Jan 18, 2024
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s#:~:text=In%20reality%2C%20foreign%20assistance%20typically,globally%20from%202012%20through%202022.
one major failing is the 55 billion dollars we make selling arms to the rest of the world. places like saudi, and israel, and so on. i once drove two oshkosh MATVs to the baltimore harbour from wisconsni
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/M153_CROWS_mounted_on_a_U.S._Army_M-ATV.jpg/450px-M153_CROWS_mounted_on_a_U.S._Army_M-ATV.jpg)
when i got to the harbour i drove into a lot that had a hundred of them going to the UAE . they were US$530,00 each, so there was a load of armoured vehicles going into that ship that cost US$53,000,000. to a country with 9 million people. who are the emirs going to go to war with using those machines? obviously, their own people, and we make it possible.
UAE wants to protect its oil.
It has reserves for a further 300 years if no exports.
But god created oil for us to use it.
There is of course a reference in the bible.
"In Exodus 30:30-32, a special oil was mixed that God said should be used to anoint Aaron and his sons and remain set aside only for this purpose."
By popular interpretation that no doubt means the sons of Aaron are now inhabiting the earth.
maybe so
God wants you to burn all the oil from the earth. Says so in the bible.
Genesis 1:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
We can imply he meant all the oil reserves as well.
Some UK politicians are adamant that every last drop of oil will be extracted from the North Sea and to hell with climate change.
As long as there is a market for it, I agree, it should be extracted.
When it's more commercially viable to build wind turbines (for example), the market will sort itself-self out. :smilenod:
Yes, but there is the north sea drilling rigs that contribute much to the Norwegian economy.
God provides oil to his favourite nations so they don't need to think too much and get rich naturally by sitting on black gold.
Jews and Swiss have to use their brains to get rich.
USA and Saudi Arabia are god's special people and so the most religious.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anointed-Oil-Christianity-Modern-America/dp/0465060862
Quote from: Icarus on March 19, 2024, 03:45:17 AMYes, but there is the north sea drilling rigs that contribute much to the Norwegian economy.
:grin:
The Asmo may or may not have some oil and gas to sell at maybe- or maybe-not-reasonable price. :smilenod:
The Resource Curse seems to be a thing though, in countries god doesn't like.
QuoteThe resource curse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse), also known as the paradox of plenty or the poverty paradox, is the phenomenon of countries with an abundance of natural resources (such as fossil fuels and certain minerals) having less economic growth, less democracy, or worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources.[
I think there is some truth to it, but I think a lot of it also has to do with the countries exporting raw materials also often importing their "enobled" derivatives. Like, you sell aluminium and import cars and washing machines. You sell wood and import paper and furniture. Those turning the raw materials into goods will buy them from you, then sell the goods right back, where the cost of the raw materials is absolutely a part of the price.
Selling raw materials can be done quite profitably, if the amount of export sufficiently exceeds that of import - like Norway is making plenty of money selling oil, even though we import refined oil products such as gasoline. The local need for such products is more than covered by the sales of crude. Having a comparatively small population does help.
I imagine other variables like corruption, totalitarian governments, corrupt totalitarian governments and such like play a significant role as well, but I wonder if much of that role is in stifling competition and private enterprise, such that the country "forever" sells natural resources and buys "everything" those resources are used for. "Brain drain." That should probably not be ignored either. If enough of the resourceful would rather be somewhere else and find their way there... Well... Those are the potential entrepreneurs and specialists the country loses to not being good enough for them - whatever the reason may be. To put it thusly, a resourceful American is far more likely to be content-enough-not-to-do-anything-about-it with being American than a resourceful Uzbek, who would likely not mind being an American in stead.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
He must have taken some courses in Heartless Bastardy when he was at uni.
its the mentality of privelege.
children are dying of starvation in gaza but what he sees is a potential business opportunity.
Is it not the mentality of privilege to care about children dying elsewhere?
I mean, where do you think the war in Gaza is, priority and debate-wise, in the favelas of Rio or slums of Mumbai?
War (and/or its aftermath) is good for business. People with business on their mind are likely to see it, whether or not they find the realization of said business distasteful or some degree of immoral. People looking to make the ends meet... If it's not their war, they have more immediate concerns.
yes.
exactly.