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Atheism and the holidays

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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2008, 06:10:28 PM »
Quote from: "rlrose328"

And Santa isn't a Christian figure?  SAINT Nicholas?  ROFL!  Oh right... Catholics aren't Christian to the fundies and gellies.  :confused:

Ive read somewhere, that the santa we use today, the fat man dressed in red and white is actually an invention of coca cola D:
is this true??
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2008, 06:25:46 PM »
Quote from: "MariaEvri"
Ive read somewhere, that the santa we use today, the fat man dressed in red and white is actually an invention of coca cola D:
is this true??

Here is what I found on the History Channel:

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In 1822, Clement Clarke Moore, an Episcopal minister, wrote a long Christmas poem for his three daughters entitled, "An Account of a Visit from St. Nicholas." Moore's poem, which he was initially hesitant to publish due to the frivolous nature of its subject, is largely responsible for our modern image of Santa Claus as a "right jolly old elf" with a portly figure and the supernatural ability to ascend a chimney with a mere nod of his head! Although some of Moore's imagery was probably borrowed from other sources, his poem helped to popularize Christmas Eve – Santa Claus waiting for the children to get to sleep the now-familiar idea of a Santa Claus who flew from house to house on Christmas Eve – in "a miniature sleigh" led by eight flying reindeer, whom he also named – leaving presents for deserving children. "An Account of a Visit from St. Nicholas," created a new and immediately popular American icon. In 1881, political cartoonist Thomas Nast drew on Moore's poem to create the first likeness that matches our modern image of Santa Claus. His cartoon, which appeared in Harper's Weekly, depicted Santa as a rotund, cheerful man with a full, white beard, holding a sack laden with toys for lucky children. It is Nast who gave Santa his bright red suit trimmed with white fur, North Pole workshop, elves, and his wife, Mrs. Claus.

http://www.history.com/minisite.do?cont ... ni_id=1290

And from Wiki:

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The modern depiction of Santa Claus as a fat, jolly man wearing a red coat and trousers with white cuffs and collar, and black leather belt and boots, became popular in the United States in the 19th century due to the significant influence of caricaturist and political cartoonist Thomas Nast.[3] This image has been maintained and reinforced through song, radio, television, and films. In the United Kingdom and Europe, his depiction is often identical to the American Santa, but he is commonly called Father Christmas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

Finally, a denial by Coke:

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No, Virginia, Santa Claus was not invented by the Coca-Cola Co.

The contention that Coke created the modern image of Santa in corporate red has become an urban myth in recent years. Recently, the BBC phoned Coca-Cola archivist Phil Mooney and put him on the radio to address the issue.

"I've heard more questions about it in the last five years than I ever did before," Mooney says. "I think it's the Internet."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2 ... iar-santa/
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2008, 07:42:32 PM »
LIES!  :brick:
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2008, 08:16:54 PM »
Wait, so he's not...real?  :(

I'm pretty sure a fat man who tells kids they've been naughty sneaking into my house at night may not live to see another day.

Just kidding, I enjoy krismis, as I call it (my name is Kris, but no I'm not a girl), and I think it's hilarious when little kids just brighten up at the thought of santa. I have a niece and nephew who get so adorable when you even mention his name.
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2008, 11:33:52 PM »
I knew a "Kris" a long time ago... she was a girl, though.  Stole my jewelry box!  :beer:   We have an Atheismas tree decorated with microbes (Giant Microbes) and Atheisma (or Atheismo if you'd prefer a male) brings toys and gifts to all the good non-believers everywhere, filling up the beakers they leave by the fireplace (not on or in... that would be bad) with PopRocks and other fun goodies.    :banna:
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2008, 04:01:42 PM »
I see no problem celebrating Christmas (exchange of gifts, spending time with family) despite my lack of belief in god or any of the religious aspects......i don't actually believe the whole "Christmas story" but the spirit of the holiday is nice

...I see at as harmless as wearing a Halloween costume to "celebrate" Halloween

as for easter...i dont have any kids so i'll pass....when i have kids maybe i will do the easter egg thing, just for the fun of it
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2008, 05:09:16 PM »
Quote from: "rlrose328"
Believers only get something if they let their kids believe in Atheisma.  Most won't though because then they'd have to explain how Atheisma isn't real and then the kids might think God isn't real... it would just be a big mess.


LOL

Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2008, 05:20:27 PM »
Quote from: "keith2004"
as for easter...i dont have any kids so i'll pass....when i have kids maybe i will do the easter egg thing, just for the fun of it

That's what we do... we love coloring the eggs, finding some science in it.  The kid loves it... he's somewhat artistic, so he loves combining colors and designing with the wax crayon.  Then hubby hides the eggs all over the house and makes a map for the kid to follow.  He's a little directionally impaired... LOL!  So map reading is a good exercise for him and he LOVES it.  We almost didn't do it this year and you'd think we'd told the kid we were going to pull out his arms!  So we did it.  :-)
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2008, 06:49:44 PM »
Quote from: "rlrose328"
I knew a "Kris" a long time ago... she was a girl, though.  Stole my jewelry box!  :blink:

I'm sorry to hear that...that b*tch...lol

Anyway, I really like the Atheismis idea, it's absolutely genius!
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2008, 09:36:23 PM »
Let me guess, at the top of the tree there dangles his noodly appendage?

Great image.  :blush:
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2008, 05:45:09 AM »
I think I should be allowed to celebrate whatever christian holiday I so choose. ;)
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2008, 03:09:08 PM »
why am I even posting in this? It's obviously a dead thread. stupid.  :brick:
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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2008, 03:28:27 PM »
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I think I should be allowed to celebrate whatever christian holiday I so choose.

I agree  :banna:

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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2008, 02:59:33 AM »
Haven't we already got Festivus (for the rest of us) or Kwaanzaa. It all makes me so tired. I think christmas and hanukkah are quite enough to be getting on with, thank you.

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Re: Atheism and the holidays
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2008, 12:55:27 AM »
My holiday spirit is rather weak...

Here's my tree.

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