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Title: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on June 29, 2022, 09:21:55 AM
While I totally understand the urge to go on a murderous rampage over a wrongly made sandwich, in polite society, if you want your food prepared just right, you make it your-fucking-self. When you pay someone else a pittance to do it for you, you get what you pay for - and get positively surprised when you get something better.

Again, I find myself wondering; what is it about the American culture that so often causes adults to resort to physical violence before exhausting the available diplomatic solutions? Could whatever the cause is also be at the root of kids shooting up schools with a much higher frequency than what's expected in the rest of the world?

The news article, which our local media translated, is kind-of garbage, but the facts of the matter remain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/27/atlanta-subway-mayo-shooting/
Quote from: sourceMan killed Subway worker over 'too much mayo on his sandwich,' police say

A man fatally shot an employee and injured another at an Atlanta Subway restaurant over the weekend because he had "too much mayo on his sandwich," police said Monday morning.

The shooter fired a handgun at two workers, a 26-year-old woman who died of her wounds and a 24-year-old woman who was in critical condition, Deputy Police Chief Charles Hampton Jr. told reporters. The injured woman's 5-year-old child was in the restaurant at the time.

...One of these days, I'm going to post a nice Current Event. Totally am, see if I won't. :smilenod:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on June 29, 2022, 05:58:34 PM
^^^this is an example of a death that gun ownership redtricyions might have prevented

im making assumptions, but this guy sounds like a nut with a legal gun over a criminal

not everybody who has a legal right to carry a gun has the brains that are also required
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on June 29, 2022, 09:56:02 PM
It's possible. Still, is it not a bit strange that for example Norwegian retards and/or madmen with legal weapons shoot people so rarely by comparison?

I mean, there are a few more hoops to jump through to get them boomsticks over here, but "all the wrong people" still manage to get some.

That's not to say we don't have gun crime - we do, but it's usually either criminals doing business or domestic disputes blowing up into small wars... Or the religion of peace/murder politics types, and they are very few and very far between for all the boom that's out there.

For all I know, it could be down to the relative number of guns per capita, but that seems way too simple to be the whole story.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on June 29, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
i think its cultural, but my kids who play murderous video games disagree
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on June 30, 2022, 06:41:28 AM
I play murderous video games too, and I don't even want a gun.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on June 30, 2022, 08:47:42 AM
America has more center of the universes than anywhere else in existence.

If you are unlucky enough to aggravate or displease one of them, it's your own damn fault, and you rightfully get your just desserts.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on June 30, 2022, 02:26:01 PM
Quote from: No one on June 30, 2022, 08:47:42 AMAmerica has more center of the universes than anywhere else in existence.

If you are unlucky enough to aggravate or displease one of them, it's your own damn fault, and you rightfully get your just desserts.
Well, to be fair, there was, apparently, just too much goddamned mayo to be dealt with in a civilised fashion.

Imagine the Universe. Except it's all mayo. A uniform acidic goo of oils and eggs. Everywhere and everywhen. That's what it was like. Horrible.




...I do apologize for making light of a tragedy. There's just something about the concept of mayo being at the heart of it that... Refuses to be properly resisted by me in a responsible adult fashion.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on June 30, 2022, 04:17:55 PM
my wwife an kids hsve worked fsst food.


people can be horrible, even without a gun
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on June 30, 2022, 05:52:46 PM
Can be?
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on June 30, 2022, 06:26:32 PM
Why are we like this? I will list some causes: gun ownership; pioneer/individualist mentality; white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates; right now - general frustration over economy, Covid, inflation; cowboy mentality lingering from the Old West (linked to 1 & 2 above); general devaluation of life in society; lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues; political division that has created two major polar magnets, and people are drawn to one or the other; and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.

And, of course, the No One Factor - People Suck.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on June 30, 2022, 07:45:02 PM
You know, it may be very politically insensitive to say in this here current year, but I do concur that maybe the whole melting pot thing... Comes with certain downsides.

I further concur that the answer is almost certain not to be simple and contain more variables than university level algebra exercise book - those listed mostly valid-seeming at a glance.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Bluenose on July 01, 2022, 11:42:24 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on June 30, 2022, 07:45:02 PMYou know, it may be very politically insensitive to say in this here current year, but I do concur that maybe the whole melting pot thing... Comes with certain downsides.

I further concur that the answer is almost certain not to be simple and contain more variables than university level algebra exercise book - those listed mostly valid-seeming at a glance.

I'm not so sure about the melting pot thing having downsides.  The 2021 Australian census released a few days ago reports that about a quarter of the 25 million population was born overseas and about half have one or more parent born overseas.  We have people of all sorts of ethnicities here, we have large numbers from China, many south-east Asian countries, a large contingent from Vietnam (my favourite local cafĂ© is Vietnamese, called Hochi Mini - LOL), many from the subcontinent, Africa, South America and even the USA and Canada.  Of course, we also have our own first nations' people who are becoming a much more important part of our culture, although they still have a long way to go to overcome the wrongs done to them since 1788.  About the only place not represented here is Antarctica - mind you, we lay claim to a large part of that continent too, but that is currently under abeyance because of the Antarctic Treaty.

While we are not perfect, and despite a few extreme right politicians and sundry bigots, for the overwhelming part all these different people seem to get along very well.  All those different cultures serve to enrich our own, like the Borg we add their distinctiveness to our own.  :grin:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Asmodean on July 01, 2022, 12:42:56 PM
That depends though, doesn't it?

Are you melting your steel with chromium and vanadium, or tungsten with aluminium? In what proportions?

Some things in certain measures alloy better than others, strengthening the whole. Others do not.

I think you can translate this metaphor to people pretty much directly, and I'm not exclusively talking about ethnicity/faith. The proportion of haves as opposed to have-nots, for example, is another such factor.

As far as peace and quiet goes, the more homogenous societies tend to have more of it than the more diverse, be it ethnically, like Japan or socioeconomically, like Denmark.

Mind you, I'm not advocating for homogeneity being some sort of a goal unto itself, but then I don't just buy the "diversity is strength" argument either - not without some extraordinary receipts.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 01, 2022, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 30, 2022, 06:26:32 PMWhy are we like this? I will list some causes: gun ownership; pioneer/individualist mentality; white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates; right now - general frustration over economy, Covid, inflation; cowboy mentality lingering from the Old West (linked to 1 & 2 above); general devaluation of life in society; lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues; political division that has created two major polar magnets, and people are drawn to one or the other; and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.

And, of course, the No One Factor - People Suck.

QuoteBetween 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.
...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/)
Most were white males.

I'm tired of white men blaming immigrants for everything that goes wrong here.

QuoteAmerican Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.
We can, I don't think you guys can.

We all have the right to our own opinion, but maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum.

I don't know why I bother, if after all this time you guys refuse to see your own violent history and treatment of non-whites, there's nothing more we can do.

I just wanted to say this,to the four of you. Who else is gonna defend my people here?

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Anne D. on July 02, 2022, 04:52:43 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 30, 2022, 06:26:32 PMWhy are we like this? I will list some causes: gun ownership; pioneer/individualist mentality; white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates; right now - general frustration over economy, Covid, inflation; cowboy mentality lingering from the Old West (linked to 1 & 2 above); general devaluation of life in society; lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues; political division that has created two major polar magnets, and people are drawn to one or the other; and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.

And, of course, the No One Factor - People Suck.

Bullshit. I think it is very weird to leap from America's ubiquitous male rage shootings to "maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together."

The evidence seems to point to a different explanation, namely to too many fucking guns and too much toxic masculinity--men feeling entitled to have violent tantrums. I have never understood why women are considered more "emotional" than men. Men's violent outbursts are routinely excused. That's not an inappropriate emotional display?

I totally agree with Magdalena's statement that "maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum."

A thousand times yes. Sometimes it's just too exhausting to have to argue one's reality.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Recusant on July 02, 2022, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 01, 2022, 08:29:42 PMWe all have the right to our own opinion, but maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum.

Quote from: Anne D. on July 02, 2022, 04:52:43 AMI totally agree with Magdalena's statement that "maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum."

A thousand times yes. Sometimes it's just too exhausting to have to argue one's reality.


Oh, hey, we still may manage double digits on a good day.  ;)

I agree with the points made in your posts and very much appreciate you folks sticking around and pushing back against our devolution into a silly old white guy place. :grouphug:

Yeah there happen to be four in that smiley.  :lol:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 02, 2022, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: Recusant on July 02, 2022, 07:53:07 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 01, 2022, 08:29:42 PMWe all have the right to our own opinion, but maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum.

Quote from: Anne D. on July 02, 2022, 04:52:43 AMI totally agree with Magdalena's statement that "maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum."

A thousand times yes. Sometimes it's just too exhausting to have to argue one's reality.


Oh, hey, we still may manage double digits on a good day.  ;)

I agree with the points made in your posts and very much appreciate you folks sticking around and pushing back against our devolution into a silly old white guy place. :grouphug:

Yeah there happen to be four in that smiley.  :lol:
;D
Good one.
:hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 04, 2022, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 01, 2022, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 30, 2022, 06:26:32 PMWhy are we like this? I will list some causes: gun ownership; pioneer/individualist mentality; white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates; right now - general frustration over economy, Covid, inflation; cowboy mentality lingering from the Old West (linked to 1 & 2 above); general devaluation of life in society; lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues; political division that has created two major polar magnets, and people are drawn to one or the other; and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.

And, of course, the No One Factor - People Suck.

QuoteBetween 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.
...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/)
Most were white males.

I'm tired of white men blaming immigrants for everything that goes wrong here.

QuoteAmerican Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.
We can, I don't think you guys can.

We all have the right to our own opinion, but maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum.

I don't know why I bother, if after all this time you guys refuse to see your own violent history and treatment of non-whites, there's nothing more we can do.

I just wanted to say this,to the four of you. Who else is gonna defend my people here?

If you read my post, you will see that one of the first things I mentioned was white people - I am well aware that we are the most violent sector in America. Not trying to "white wash" the problem at all. I am not blaming your people, and no where in my post did I say that. If all of us can't get along, that may and probably is largely the fault of the majority, the 60% of us who are white. Of course, other ethnic groups have had problems - Latinos and blacks have had their issues. But at least 60% of the problem is white people. We have been marginalizing other ethnic groups since the beginning.

Sorry you took my post as a diss of ethnic groups. White people are 60% of the lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds, and we have not made the place very inviting for others.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 05, 2022, 12:15:26 AM
there another shootin ng this time in chicago

18 to 20 year old white male sniping at a parade frpm a rooftop. he dtppped the rifle and escaped

6 dead
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 05, 2022, 01:05:28 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 04, 2022, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 01, 2022, 08:29:42 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 30, 2022, 06:26:32 PMWhy are we like this? I will list some causes: gun ownership; pioneer/individualist mentality; white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates; right now - general frustration over economy, Covid, inflation; cowboy mentality lingering from the Old West (linked to 1 & 2 above); general devaluation of life in society; lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues; political division that has created two major polar magnets, and people are drawn to one or the other; and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.

And, of course, the No One Factor - People Suck.

QuoteBetween 1982 and June 2022, 68 out of the 129 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings and Latino in 11. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 8.5 percent respectively.
...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/)
Most were white males.

I'm tired of white men blaming immigrants for everything that goes wrong here.

QuoteAmerican Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together.
We can, I don't think you guys can.

We all have the right to our own opinion, but maybe saying things like this here is why we only have four members in this forum.

I don't know why I bother, if after all this time you guys refuse to see your own violent history and treatment of non-whites, there's nothing more we can do.

I just wanted to say this,to the four of you. Who else is gonna defend my people here?

If you read my post, you will see that one of the first things I mentioned was white people - I am well aware that we are the most violent sector in America. Not trying to "white wash" the problem at all. I am not blaming your people, and no where in my post did I say that. If all of us can't get along, that may and probably is largely the fault of the majority, the 60% of us who are white. Of course, other ethnic groups have had problems - Latinos and blacks have had their issues. But at least 60% of the problem is white people. We have been marginalizing other ethnic groups since the beginning.

Sorry you took my post as a diss of ethnic groups. White people are 60% of the lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds, and we have not made the place very inviting for others.
It's OK.
Maybe it's just me.
I tested positive for Covid and I've been really sick for the past week.

 :sad sigh:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Anne D. on July 05, 2022, 01:47:46 AM
I don't think it's "just you" Mags, and I'm so sorry you're feeling crappy.

"Why are we like this? I will list some causes: . . .
"white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates;"
"lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues" 
"and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together"

I'm obviously not Magdalena, but I found all of these statements as explanations for random rage shootings odd--especially when they constitute almost half of the proposed explanations.  The mention of white people didn't mention racist white people (clearly the culprit in Buffalo, Tree of Life Shooting, El Paso Walmart shooting), but "white people who lived in cold climates living in hot, humid climates." Huh? "Those normally naturally rational white people just go crazy in the heat"  ?

The reference to this "lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues," even with the "often . . ." disclaimer,

combined with  this: "and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together"   sealed the what-the-hell factor.   

I can't speak for Magdalena, but the proposed response that, gosh, maybe the primary reason for all these bloody male gun tantrums isn't ding-ding-ding **too many guns** combined with lack of male emotional regulation but instead that newcomers just can't assimilate is a little much.

Doesn't make you a bad person, just makes you a person who should maybe question their assumptions. Just like me, just like everyone. Especially those of us in the U.S. I have tons of ingrained racist biases **from growing up in an inherently racist country** that I actively fight against. When they're pointed out to me, or when I recognize them in myself. I try to confront them head on. All we can do is commit to doing better going forward.

As for Asmo's "Some things in certain measures alloy better than others, strengthening the whole. Others do not."

I'm not even going to go there. The purpose seems to be to troll rather than engage, so it's not worth it.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Bluenose on July 05, 2022, 03:16:57 AM
I don't buy the "mix of ethnicities" is the cause of all the problems, particularly the mass shootings in the USA.  Sure, there are cultural issues involved, especially the ammosexual fetish for the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, but the real problem is too many guns.  Until and unless measures are taken to reduce the level of gun ownership (and not by a little), I predict your country will continue to suffer from continued incidents of mass shootings on a tragically continuing basis.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Anne D. on July 05, 2022, 03:23:20 AM
Quote from: Bluenose on July 05, 2022, 03:16:57 AMI don't buy the "mix of ethnicities" is the cause of all the problems, particularly the mass shootings in the USA.  Sure, there are cultural issues involved, especially the ammosexual fetish for the Second Amendment of the US Constitution, but the real problem is too many guns.  Until and unless measures are taken to reduce the level of gun ownership (and not by a little), I predict your country will continue to suffer from continued incidents of mass shootings on a tragically continuing basis.

^^^ Yes.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 05, 2022, 03:28:53 AM
Quote from: Anne D. on July 05, 2022, 01:47:46 AMI don't think it's "just you" Mags, and I'm so sorry you're feeling crappy.

"Why are we like this? I will list some causes: . . .
"white people who evolved in cold climates living in hot, humid climates;"
"lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues" 
"and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together"

I'm obviously not Magdalena, but I found all of these statements as explanations for random rage shootings odd--especially when they constitute almost half of the proposed explanations.  The mention of white people didn't mention racist white people (clearly the culprit in Buffalo, Tree of Life Shooting, El Paso Walmart shooting), but "white people who lived in cold climates living in hot, humid climates." Huh? "Those normally naturally rational white people just go crazy in the heat"  ?

The reference to this "lack of integration into society of certain groups, often a result of racism or ethnic/cultural issues," even with the "often . . ." disclaimer,

combined with  this: "and - just maybe the American Experiment has failed - lots of people from lots of places with lots of different backgrounds really just can't live together"  sealed the what-the-hell factor. 

I can't speak for Magdalena, but the proposed response that, gosh, maybe the primary reason for all these bloody male gun tantrums isn't ding-ding-ding **too many guns** combined with lack of male emotional regulation but instead that newcomers just can't assimilate is a little much.

Doesn't make you a bad person, just makes you a person who should maybe question their assumptions. Just like me, just like everyone. Especially those of us in the U.S. I have tons of ingrained racist biases **from growing up in an inherently racist country** that I actively fight against. When they're pointed out to me, or when I recognize them in myself. I try to confront them head on. All we can do is commit to doing better going forward.

As for Asmo's "Some things in certain measures alloy better than others, strengthening the whole. Others do not."

I'm not even going to go there. The purpose seems to be to troll rather than engage, so it's not worth it.

Anne D.
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Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Anne D. on July 05, 2022, 03:39:32 AM
^^^ oh, man--right back at you.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 05, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
i was really naive about american racism when i returned to the states at the age of 18. i moved into an experimental integrated dorm in coolege- half black and half white. but i didnt know it was integrated, because id grown up in a mix of all races and nstionalities since i was about 9.

in hindsight people must have ghought i wad nuts. i knew no american slang, so when a black guy passed me on the stairs and said

"hey man whats going on?"

i would stop and tell him . . .

i must have mystified people.

took me several years to figure out what behaviour was racist and what wasnt, because i just didnt know.

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 05, 2022, 05:52:14 PM
The human race is the only race of humans I am aware of.
I dislike them, greatly. As a species, they are not worth the sweat off my balls!
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on July 05, 2022, 09:57:41 PM
OK, I listed things I could come up with at the time. At no time did I say anything negative about any ethnic group. I thought I listed some things we could have a discussion about. BUT, rather than try to explain or defend myself, I'll just apologize.  Sorry to offend, didn't mean to, won't say anything else.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 06, 2022, 12:32:32 AM
i already told you an aggie joke.

if that isnt racist then i dont know whst to say

being a petroleum geologist in west texas i knew lots of aggies
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Icarus on July 07, 2022, 02:14:42 AM
There is rather large component of our society who have a problem with immigrant persons who do not look exactly like themselves. That includes Asians, Hispanics, dark skinned Africans, Pacific and Caribbean islanders and people of a different sexual persuasion. My dumb fuck Governor of Florida has invented "don't say gay" legislation that his like-minded state politicians made into law. Sheeesh!

Let us contemplate the identity of those people and examine their presumed motivation. These are well organized individuals who are hell bent on having the rest of us comply with their socio-political beliefs. They are dead set against any form of abortion, are immovably in favor of their second Amendment right to own and use firearms, they have no qualms about arranging voting districts in such a way that the will of the majority is not likely, they have no qualms about lying about such things as election rigging, They are committed to the belief that we must all agree that Jesus of the bible is our lord and savior. They believe that it is their obligation to force all of us to believe as they do....or at least as they say they do. They are certain that a wall between our southern border states and Mexico will keep the terrible, murderous, rapist drug smugglers from overwhelming and defiling our utopian country. There are more narrow-minded missions that our powerful group of right wing religionists believe and intend to enforce.

Those people are characterized by willful ignorance. They too often refuse to read, refuse to weigh the facts, refuse to listen to reason, refuse to address reality, are opposed to any rule that they believe violates their freedom, like mask mandates or Covid vaccinations.  They are likely to believe, absolutely, that the government is the enemy even though so many of them are members of the governing bodies.  They continue to elect representatives of the governments even though they continue to believe that government, as a body, is evil and has secret ulterior motives such as implanting microchips in vaccines. Alex Jones is a more reliable arbiter of truth than is the president or the Attorney general of the United States. Fauci is a conniving operative whose only aim is to enrich himself, and so on,,,,,,,,,, ad-finitum.

Truth to tell we are a nation that is painfully overpopulated with dumb bastards who are almost unimaginably gullible.  :rant1:  :rant1:  :rant1:  :rant1:

               
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Dark Lightning on July 07, 2022, 02:24:36 AM
I'm on board with your assessment of the gov in Florida.

I'm trying to understand why your location is listed as Indianopolis, though.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Bluenose on July 07, 2022, 11:02:46 PM
From over this side of the Pacific pond, it seems Icarus's assessment is entirely on point.  Regrettably the cancer has spread over here, OTOH I think the average Aussie rejects these kinds of concepts, so the idiocy gets little traction here.  For a start, we are  much less religious people, even irreligious.  Also, guns are not even an order of magnitude as common as in the US.  Walk down the street with a firearm here, and you will pretty soon become acquainted with the local constabulary.  Finally, many ethnic groups have become a normal part of our society.  We see people of all kinds all the time and no one bats an eyelid when you see a different face for your doctor, nurse, elected official or just walking down the street.

However, I do not hold a council for despair WRT the USA.  I think eventually you will deal with the right wing nut jobs.  It may take a generation or two, but the youth of today have access to more information than ever before, and the ability of the bigots to control what the young learn grows weaker every day.  It's a slow process, but I feel it is inevitable.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 07, 2022, 11:28:10 PM
you may be right. crime killings always occur in the usa.

but this propensity for random mass slayngs is new, frankly, and was rare when i was younger.

if you look at the numbers, its correlated with the end of the assault rifle ban and the general dysfunction of the us in the last 25 years.

formerly mass shootings were rare and more people were horrifed-- like the texas tower shootings.

now people seem to think that not wanting to do nything in a crowd is a normal safety precaustion.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Recusant on July 09, 2022, 06:45:39 AM
Quote from: Icarus on July 07, 2022, 02:14:42 AMThere is rather large component of our society who have a problem with immigrant persons who do not look exactly like themselves. That includes Asians, Hispanics, dark skinned Africans, Pacific and Caribbean islanders and people of a different sexual persuasion. My dumb fuck Governor of Florida has invented "don't say gay" legislation that his like-minded state politicians made into law. Sheeesh!

Let us contemplate the identity of those people and examine their presumed motivation. These are well organized individuals who are hell bent on having the rest of us comply with their socio-political beliefs. They are dead set against any form of abortion, are immovably in favor of their second Amendment right to own and use firearms, they have no qualms about arranging voting districts in such a way that the will of the majority is not likely, they have no qualms about lying about such things as election rigging, They are committed to the belief that we must all agree that Jesus of the bible is our lord and savior. They believe that it is their obligation to force all of us to believe as they do....or at least as they say they do. They are certain that a wall between our southern border states and Mexico will keep the terrible, murderous, rapist drug smugglers from overwhelming and defiling our utopian country. There are more narrow-minded missions that our powerful group of right wing religionists believe and intend to enforce.

Those people are characterized by willful ignorance. They too often refuse to read, refuse to weigh the facts, refuse to listen to reason, refuse to address reality, are opposed to any rule that they believe violates their freedom, like mask mandates or Covid vaccinations.  They are likely to believe, absolutely, that the government is the enemy even though so many of them are members of the governing bodies.  They continue to elect representatives of the governments even though they continue to believe that government, as a body, is evil and has secret ulterior motives such as implanting microchips in vaccines. Alex Jones is a more reliable arbiter of truth than is the president or the Attorney general of the United States. Fauci is a conniving operative whose only aim is to enrich himself, and so on,,,,,,,,,, ad-finitum.

Truth to tell we are a nation that is painfully overpopulated with dumb bastards who are almost unimaginably gullible.  :rant1:  :rant1:  :rant1:  :rant1:

             

Well said, sir. I don't think that the US has a larger percentage of wilfully ignorant numbskulls than any other nation on Earth, but the anti-democratic elements of the US Constitution (Electoral College, US Senate, US Supreme Court) have made it possible for them to have an outsized level of power. A well developed right wing propaganda machinery (talk radio (https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/10/why-is-talk-radio-so-right-wing-and-how-can-the-left-compete/), Fox News and its imitators) has been dripping poison into the willing ears of a significant percentage of the population for a few decades now. "Guns, babies, Jesus (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/georgias-kandiss-taylors-jesus-guns-babies-sign-clear-christian-nation-rcna30331)" (often with a subtext of virulent racism) is the result.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Tom62 on July 09, 2022, 03:01:01 PM
Mass shootings happen in other places than the USA as well, which means that it isn't an US only phenomenon. Most recent one was in Denmark, one of the most gun regulated countries in the world. Here in Germany mass shootings are less common. More popular is to drive cars into big crowds, to kill as much people as possible. Also popular are knife-, axe- and acid attacks. This is mainly done by crazy immigrants, which shows that also non white people can go on killing sprees.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 09, 2022, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on July 09, 2022, 03:01:01 PMMass shootings happen in other places than the USA as well, which means that it isn't an US only phenomenon. Most recent one was in Denmark, one of the most gun regulated countries in the world. Here in Germany mass shootings are less common. More popular is to drive cars into big crowds, to kill as much people as possible. Also popular are knife-, axe- and acid attacks. This is mainly done by crazy immigrants, which shows that also non white people can go on killing sprees.
Hmm.
I find it interesting that you mention "crazy immigrants" but forgot to mention that the last mass shooting there was done by a Danish man.

--Just saying.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 10, 2022, 01:39:41 AM
Can we all agree that the shade of meat suit is meaningless? Humans just suck.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 10, 2022, 06:40:02 AM
Quote from: No one on July 10, 2022, 01:39:41 AMCan we all agree that the shade of meat suit is meaningless? Humans just suck.
Yes. But.
If the lighter shade of white refuse to acknowledge their own fuck ups and just points at the darker shade of brown's fuck ups, then I guess humans do suck, but some do suck more than others.
It's time someone said it.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 10, 2022, 06:58:04 AM
My dear raps, I just don't understand why the shade of one's meat suit matters at all. Or why any other insignificant difference should instill such hostility.

There are only 2 types of humans on the planet.

Cool ones, and asshats.


Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 10, 2022, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: No one on July 10, 2022, 06:58:04 AMMy dear raps, I just don't understand why the shade of one's meat suit matters at all. Or why any other insignificant difference should instill such hostility.

There are only 2 types of humans on the planet.

Cool ones, and asshats.




My dear No one,
Things are not that simple.

Who here wants to be treated or talked about the same way a dark skin person is treated and talked about?

It's about time we recognize that darker skin tones are associated with more negative stereotypes, just look at the example Tom62 gave, he talked about immigrant crime, and he didn't even mention that the last mass shooting there was perpetrated by a white Dutch man.

The white men started this. As I've said before, projection is a bitch. Whatever negative thing they accuse us of is what they are.
Violent
Crazy
Stupid
Lazy
Etc.
Enough is enough.

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 10, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
I completely agree, humans should never be treated differently just because they are different. And those milk skinned humans are oblivious to the plight of those of darker hues. Ignorance can only carry so much blame.

I have no qualms with any human based on their gender, sexual orientation, skin tone, location, beliefs, or any other inconsequential absurd nonsense. Not sure why this  would concern anyone.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Tom62 on July 12, 2022, 04:20:54 AM
I agree with No one that there are two types of people on this world, cool ones and asshats. This thread was heading to blame white men and conservatives only for this problem, which is incorrect. Mags may find it offensive that I mentioned that here in Germany we several horrible killings by mainly lone wolf madmen with a migrant background. Problem is that facts don't care much about feelings. Most recent killing was in June by a crazy man driving his car intentionally into a crowd of people in Berlin. He who was not Dutch or Danish, but originally from Armenia. The killings in Denmark was indeed by a crazy white man. So yes, there are assholes and crazy people to be found everywhere.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 12, 2022, 05:04:51 AM
I have never said I'm offended or find something offensive, both of you please stop saying that.

I was a lady when you guy's friend (the Bishop) called me, "stupid" in public.

This is an old white men's club, you guys couldn't hide it even if you try. Don't blame me for pointing out the obvious, based on what you guys post.

I'm more like a fly than a butterfly around here. :-\

Maybe I should just finally accept that I am at the wrong place. And that we don't see things the same way. If I say these things is because....Who am I kidding...you guys do represent this forum. And you will attract your members.


Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Recusant on July 12, 2022, 07:17:56 AM
You have always been welcome here Magdalena, and always will be. I can't speak for anybody else but I believe that most of the old white guys here are in agreement with your position.

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Recusant on July 12, 2022, 07:18:38 AM
I don't think there is a genuine parallel between most of the mass shootings (not to mention the literally everyday instances of senseless gun violence) that occur in the US and most of the mass killings in Europe (which are often carried out by religious extremists). The cultural background and history behind them are rather different.

While neither negates the significance of the other, the fact is that the US is living through a plague (https://www.businessinsider.co.za/number-of-mass-shootingsin-america-this-year-2022-5) of murderous well-armed creeps. Mass murder in Europe is rare in comparison regardless of who perpetrates it and it is not difficult to understand why.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 12, 2022, 06:20:48 PM
Quote from: Recusant on July 12, 2022, 07:17:56 AMYou have always been welcome here Magdalena, and always will be. I can't speak for anybody else but I believe that most of the old white guys here are in agreement with your position.



Thanks, Recusant, you are right, there are exceptions here. But as Anne D. said:
QuoteSometimes it's just too exhausting to have to argue one's reality.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 12, 2022, 11:00:15 PM
mags, youre one of the reasons im here.

i would be very unhappy to see you leave.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: hermes2015 on July 13, 2022, 05:01:39 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on July 12, 2022, 11:00:15 PMmags, youre one of the reasons im here.

i would be very unhappy to see you leave.

I second that. I haven't been very active lately, but follow the discourse with interest every day. Mags, you are always a voice of reason.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Tom62 on July 13, 2022, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: hermes2015 on July 13, 2022, 05:01:39 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on July 12, 2022, 11:00:15 PMmags, youre one of the reasons im here.

i would be very unhappy to see you leave.

I second that. I haven't been very active lately, but follow the discourse with interest every day. Mags, you are always a voice of reason.

I agree as well. Sorry, if I said any wrong things. I come from a different part of the world where the culture is different and our problems are different than the ones in the USA.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 13, 2022, 05:58:06 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on July 13, 2022, 09:40:56 AM
Quote from: hermes2015 on July 13, 2022, 05:01:39 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on July 12, 2022, 11:00:15 PMmags, youre one of the reasons im here.

i would be very unhappy to see you leave.

I second that. I haven't been very active lately, but follow the discourse with interest every day. Mags, you are always a voice of reason.

I agree as well. Sorry, if I said any wrong things. I come from a different part of the world where the culture is different and our problems are different than the ones in the USA.

:grouphug:
Ok.
Look, there's 4.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 13, 2022, 06:38:48 PM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 05, 2022, 09:57:41 PM.... BUT, rather than try to explain or defend myself, I'll just apologize.  ...
You get one too, Bruce. :hug:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Bluenose on July 14, 2022, 02:59:54 AM
Quote from: Recusant on July 12, 2022, 07:17:56 AMYou have always been welcome here Magdalena, and always will be. I can't speak for anybody else but I believe that most of the old white guys here are in agreement with your position.



This old white guy is also in agreement with your position, Mags.  Please stay, you are loved and respected.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Anne D. on July 14, 2022, 04:34:18 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 12, 2022, 05:04:51 AMMaybe I should just finally accept that I am at the wrong place.

No, you're in exactly the right place. We're in the right place.  :hug:  This is our place as much as any other member's. I know this forum can be and often is an awesome place. You make it so. We're the change we seek.  :)

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 14, 2022, 05:28:34 AM

Quote from: Anne D. on July 14, 2022, 04:34:18 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 12, 2022, 05:04:51 AMMaybe I should just finally accept that I am at the wrong place.

No, you're in exactly the right place. We're in the right place. :hug: This is our place as much as any other member's. I know this forum can be and often is an awesome place. You make it so. We're the change we seek. :)


Yes, the world is what we make of it.  :smilenod:

--Thank you.


Quote from: Bluenose on July 14, 2022, 02:59:54 AM...  Please stay, you are loved and respected.

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Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Icarus on July 14, 2022, 10:09:56 PM
We must teach ourselves to withhold judgement until we have walked for a mile in another mans (or womans) moccasins.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 15, 2022, 01:28:38 AM
That's a wondaerful sentiment Icarus, but I don't need to walk a centimeter in john william king's shoes to know he's a completely worthless scumbag.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Tom62 on July 15, 2022, 04:34:13 AM
Walking in someone's shoes don't mean that you'll reach the same conclusions as that person or that the person's who's shoes you are walking in must be correct. You would also not want to walk in the shoes of dreadful people like a Boris Johnson. People are different individuals and it is okay for them to have a different opinions. I wouldn't want to live in a world where everyone must have the same opinions like mine and where different opinions are not allowed.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 15, 2022, 05:18:43 AM
I'm not saying that. I just don't think subhuman scum, such as john william king deserve any sort of respect. He, and shitbags like him don't merit any compassion.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 15, 2022, 08:15:49 PM
Quote from: Recusant on July 02, 2022, 07:53:07 AM...

Oh, hey, we still may manage double digits on a good day.  ;)

...

Sometimes even triple digits. ;)
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Icarus on July 16, 2022, 01:05:51 AM
Walking in another man's shoes is a metaphor guys.  It is said, whether true or not, that it is a bit of wisdom given to us by native Americans. (the ones whose land we so brazenly stole..........but that is a whole other subject that should give we old white men some shame)

When I used that metaphor, I was thinking of Magdalenas sensitivities. None of us have walked in her shoes so we cannot presume to understand her emotional or reactive state.  The general idea is applicable to other human situations as well.

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 16, 2022, 03:59:48 AM
Quote from: Icarus on July 16, 2022, 01:05:51 AMWalking in another man's shoes is a metaphor guys.  It is said, whether true or not, that it is a bit of wisdom given to us by native Americans. (the ones whose land we so brazenly stole..........but that is a whole other subject that should give we old white men some shame)

When I used that metaphor, I was thinking of Magdalenas sensitivities. None of us have walked in her shoes so we cannot presume to understand her emotional or reactive state.  The general idea is applicable to other human situations as well.



My sensitivities?
My emotional?
or
My reactive state?

...Man, Icarus...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KUBoaTAtDraus/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952d6c2bc2d695528f08eb5638cdd8ccd8848fdac4f&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)

But I appreciate your concern. ;D
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 16, 2022, 08:45:50 AM
I don't have to walk in another person's metaphoric shoes to understand or even recognize their individual hardships.

I know that plenty of women are harassed, insulted, and tormented on a daily basis, and though I will never try truly fathom what a difficult dilemma that is,I can at least sympathize with their oppression.

The point I was attempting to convey, is that not all meat suits deserve the warmth of compassion.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Icarus on July 17, 2022, 03:52:01 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 16, 2022, 03:59:48 AM
Quote from: Icarus on July 16, 2022, 01:05:51 AMWalking in another man's shoes is a metaphor guys.  It is said, whether true or not, that it is a bit of wisdom given to us by native Americans. (the ones whose land we so brazenly stole..........but that is a whole other subject that should give we old white men some shame)

When I used that metaphor, I was thinking of Magdalenas sensitivities. None of us have walked in her shoes so we cannot presume to understand her emotional or reactive state.  The general idea is applicable to other human situations as well.



My sensitivities?
My emotional?
or
My reactive state?

...Man, Icarus...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KUBoaTAtDraus/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952d6c2bc2d695528f08eb5638cdd8ccd8848fdac4f&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)

But I appreciate your concern. ;D


That is precisely the point Mags. We do not know each other. Yes, we exchange ideas or beliefs, we are even close and friendly with one another, but we still do not really know much about the inner thought processes of the other person.
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 17, 2022, 08:55:11 AM
Quote from: Icarus on July 17, 2022, 03:52:01 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on July 16, 2022, 03:59:48 AM
Quote from: Icarus on July 16, 2022, 01:05:51 AMWalking in another man's shoes is a metaphor, guys.  It is said, whether true or not, that it is a bit of wisdom given to us by native Americans. (the ones whose land we so brazenly stole..........but that is a whole other subject that should give we old white men some shame)

When I used that metaphor, I was thinking of Magdalena's sensitivities. None of us have walked in her shoes so we cannot presume to understand her emotional or reactive state.  The general idea applies to other human situations as well.



My sensitivities?
My emotional?
or
My reactive state?

...Man, Icarus...
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/KUBoaTAtDraus/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952d6c2bc2d695528f08eb5638cdd8ccd8848fdac4f&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)

But I appreciate your concern. ;D


That is precisely the point Mags. We do not know each other. Yes, we exchange ideas or beliefs, and we are even close and friendly with one another, but we still do not really know much about the inner thought processes of the other person.

But do you guys really want to know about the inner thought processes of the other person?

For those of us who are bi-lingual and bi-cultural, when a,  "Joke" is made here, a lot gets lost in the translation, interpretation, explanation, and tone.

Sure. There's a chance a "racist post" was "misinterpreted" due to poor translation, bad interpretation, explanation, and tone.

And there are times when it's open and clear.

And I think these are the things that we should consider when we post if we really want to "meet" halfway...this way, people's sensitivities, emotional or reactive state's will not be "offended", as you guys call it.

I already learned your language and your culture for more than 40 Years.
--That's what I call,
" Really, genuinely wanting to know about the inner thought processes of the other person."

I have walked in you guy's Crocs.  ;D

I'm trying to meet you halfway, by being clear when I speak. I know your idioms, your expressions, and your mannerisms. Please don't say I may have been "emotional" and the words caused me to react. I'm just trying to communicate with all of you ...and some of your posts make you look unwelcoming to those of us who have worked very hard to not be seen and talked about in the negative, old and outdated stereotypical way immigrants are seen.
--Everywhere.


Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 17, 2022, 09:10:10 AM
Let's take a break.


 ;D
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: billy rubin on July 17, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
hola chica
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 17, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
An asshat is an asshat is an asshat, no matter which branch of the asshat tree they fell off of!
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 17, 2022, 07:12:59 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on July 17, 2022, 11:40:19 AMhola chica

Hola.

Gracias, Kevin.
Gracias por tratar. Es un paso hacia el frente. Una palabra, simple, pero dice mucho de usted. Asi se empieza.
 ;)
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 17, 2022, 07:15:32 PM
Quote from: No one on July 17, 2022, 11:50:51 AMAn asshat is an asshat is an asshat, no matter which branch of the asshat tree they fell off of!

Have a little "faith" in humanity.
 :sad sigh:
Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: No one on July 17, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
My assurance in humanity is fastened by the weakest of links.

Title: Re: Mayo murder
Post by: Magdalena on July 17, 2022, 11:27:10 PM
Quote from: No one on July 17, 2022, 09:16:14 PMMy assurance in humanity is fastened by the weakest of links.


Oh, boy. :-\
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