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What would the world be like without religion? (but with all of the laws we have today minus the ones derived from religion) Would it be better or worse? Tell me what you think.

Personally, I believe it would be better because religion has held back the advancement of so many things throughout history, with science being at the top of the list. I don't remember who said this quote but here it is, "If there was no religion, Columbus might have landed on the moon." Might not be worded right either but its close enough.

Quote from: "atheist2308"What would the world be like without religion? (but with all of the laws we have today minus the ones derived from religion) Would it be better or worse? Tell me what you think.

I imagine us being quite like the Vulcan race on Star Trek.

QuoteI imagine us being quite like the Vulcan race on Star Trek.

I would have to agree with you on that, except I think we'd show a little more emotion.

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QuoteI imagine us being quite like the Vulcan race on Star Trek.

I would have to agree with you on that, except I think we'd show a little more emotion.

Yeah, you're right. But we'd still have more emotion than the  

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QuoteI imagine us being quite like the Vulcan race on Star Trek.

I would have to agree with you on that, except I think we'd show a little more emotion.

Yeah, you're right. But we'd still have more emotion than the  

lol I'd would hope so.

Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists    And no fights over creation taught in classrooms.I think children would recieve better education.Maybe someone would have found a cure for fatal dieases like cancer and AIDS.The GLBT comm. would be treated better.Science would probley be very highly taught and thought of.

Quote from: "afreethinker30"Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists    And no fights over creation taught in classrooms.I think children would recieve better education.Maybe someone would have found a cure for fatal dieases like cancer and AIDS.The GLBT comm. would be treated better.Science would probley be very highly taught and thought of.

I wish medical science would make it so that people are born sterile and have to have their fertility activate through an expensive surgical procedure.

Quote from: "afreethinker30"Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists    And no fights over creation taught in classrooms.I think children would recieve better education.Maybe someone would have found a cure for fatal dieases like cancer and AIDS.The GLBT comm. would be treated better.Science would probley be very highly taught and thought of.

Exactly! I truely believe that technology, science, medicine and so much more would be so far advanced that it would blow our minds. Some of those people that were killed by religion could have invented thing hundreds (if not thousands) of years before they were invented. Medicine has only been around for, i believe, less then 200 years. You know what they used before that? Praying. And some people still refuse to take medicine, trusting only in praying and god to heal them or someone else. Bullshit! I am dumbfounded by some things people do. Religion is a virus and needs to be eradicated.

In my subjective opinion, the world without religion would be a far better place than it is today.  

QuoteI wish medical science would make it so that people are born sterile and have to have their fertility activate through an expensive surgical procedure.

Thats a good idea if ya ask me,  because population control is definitely something the world needs. This planet is only so big and has only so much resources available. Me on the other hand, I have already chosen not to have kids because I don't want to bring a life into the world as it is today.

I was just thinking and I believe it could still happen. It would take a lot of work and time and all atheist and other non-believers to all join together and fight the systems that be. Not by killing of course, but by using our brains and our words, oh and the laws. I don't know if any of you know this but in Tennessee, where I live, it is a state law that no atheist can hold a public office. That is a direct violation of the Constitution.

Quote from: "atheist2308"I was just thinking and I believe it could still happen. It would take a lot of work and time and all atheist and other non-believers to all join together and fight the systems that be. Not by killing of course, but by using our brains and our words, oh and the laws. I don't know if any of you know this but in Tennessee, where I live, it is a state law that no atheist can hold a public office. That is a direct violation of the Constitution.

Wow, you weren't kidding. (http://www.tncrimlaw.com/law/constit/IX.html#2)

Seeing the only people replying so far are the atheists I will take a stab. You can tell me to leave seeing this is the 'Happy Atheist forum'
I can't see how the world could be better without religion. All you talk about is the bad that happens from religion. What about the Good? Education, Hospitals, Science. You commented that religion and science are at odds with each other. How not true. Christianity helped science get started. Where's your proof. Who started the great universites of the world. Not atheists! If you want to bring up Copernicus, remember the Church had their own scientists and Copernicus couldn't prove his theory. It was just a theory then, as it turns out, he just happened to be right and the church got ridiculed for it and they have apologized if I remember, seeing they are not the stuards of science anyway. How has religion hampered science? What has Atheism brought to the table?

Quote from: "tdh26"Seeing the only people replying so far are the atheists I will take a stab. You can tell me to leave seeing this is the 'Happy Atheist forum'

2000 years later and you Christians still haven't gotten over being fed to lions.

QuoteI can't see how the world could be better without religion. All you talk about is the bad that happens from religion. What about the Good? Education, Hospitals, Science.

We would have that without religion. Religion played a part in education, hospitals and science for most of history because religion played a part in everything. If you wanted to build a school,hospital or science institute 500 years ago, the church was the way to go. Now, religion gets in the way of all three of these things.

QuoteYou commented that religion and science are at odds with each other. How not true. Christianity helped science get started. Where's your proof. Who started the great universities of the world. Not atheists! If you want to bring up Copernicus, remember the Church had their own scientists and Copernicus couldn't prove his theory. It was just a theory then, as it turns out, he just happened to be right and the church got ridiculed for it and they have apologized if I remember, seeing they are not the stewards of science anyway. How has religion hampered science? What has Atheism brought to the table?

Everything else. Science itself. A Christian scientist is both a Christian and a scientist, but one does not use their religion to explore science. One uses secular methods to explore science.

QuoteYou can tell me to leave seeing this is the 'Happy Atheist forum'

If someone tells you to leave, it will not have been me. Thats one thing I do believe in, and thats Freedom of Speech. Well, that and the rest of our freedoms.

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Quote from: "afreethinker30"Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists    And no fights over creation taught in classrooms.I think children would recieve better education.Maybe someone would have found a cure for fatal dieases like cancer and AIDS.The GLBT comm. would be treated better.Science would probley be very highly taught and thought of.

Exactly! I truely believe that technology, science, medicine and so much more would be so far advanced that it would blow our minds. Some of those people that were killed by religion could have invented thing hundreds (if not thousands) of years before they were invented. Medicine has only been around for, i believe, less then 200 years. You know what they used before that? Praying. And some people still refuse to take medicine, trusting only in praying and god to heal them or someone else. Bullshit! I am dumbfounded by some things people do. Religion is a virus and needs to be eradicated.

Modern medicine is the third leading cause of death in America. And it's as oppressive of competing thought as any religion.

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Quote from: "afreethinker30"Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists    And no fights over creation taught in classrooms.I think children would recieve better education.Maybe someone would have found a cure for fatal dieases like cancer and AIDS.The GLBT comm. would be treated better.Science would probley be very highly taught and thought of.

Exactly! I truly believe that technology, science, medicine and so much more would be so far advanced that it would blow our minds. Some of those people that were killed by religion could have invented thing hundreds (if not thousands) of years before they were invented. Medicine has only been around for, i believe, less then 200 years. You know what they used before that? Praying. And some people still refuse to take medicine, trusting only in praying and god to heal them or someone else. Bullshit! I am dumbfounded by some things people do. Religion is a virus and needs to be eradicated.

Modern medicine is the third leading cause of death in America. And it's as oppressive of competing thought as any religion.

 Deaths-Leading Causes

(from the CDC.gov website)

Number of deaths for leading causes of death

1. Heart disease: 652,091

2. Cancer: 559,312

3. Stroke (cardiovascular diseases): 143,579 <---------

4. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 130,933

5. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 117,809

6. Diabetes: 75,119

7. Alzheimer's disease: 71,599

8. Influenza/Pneumonia: 63,001

9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 43,901

10. Septicemia: 34,136

I don't see modern medicine anywhere on that list. Next time try to do a little research before you make an ass of your self.

QuoteI don't see modern medicine anywhere on that list. Next time try to do a little research before you make an ass of your self.

Actually, it's better to do more than just a little research. Check this out.
http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/iatrogenic.pdf (http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/iatrogenic.pdf)
The discussion of iatrogenic deaths begins partway into the last paragraph on the first page. Note that the conservative estimate of 225,000 deaths puts iatrogenic causes firmly in third place. Also note that this paper was initially published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Next time try doing more than a little research before you make yourself the southern end of a north-bound horse.

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QuoteI don't see modern medicine anywhere on that list. Next time try to do a little research before you make an ass of your self.

Actually, it's better to do more than just a little research. Check this out.
http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/iatrogenic.pdf (http://silver.neep.wisc.edu/~lakes/iatrogenic.pdf)
The discussion of iatrogenic deaths begins partway into the last paragraph on the first page. Note that the conservative estimate of 225,000 deaths puts iatrogenic causes firmly in third place. Also note that this paper was initially published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Next time try doing more than a little research before you make yourself the southern end of a north-bound horse.

I know your going to be surprised to hear this but your right, well, we both are really. Your right because you were talking about a different area of the medical field then I was. I also believe that the fault there doesn't have to do much with religion at all. I read the paper where your link took me and I believe that the real fault belongs to the government, drug companies and the lowering of the standers and training.

Here's why I think that.

The government (or anybody else for that matter) have not set up a strong infrastructure, like that paper said.

Drug companies, just like all the other "big businesses", don't really care about the people. All they care about is getting the drug/product on the market fast so they can make billions, all done without a blink of the eye.

And the last one is self explanatory.

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Quote from: "afreethinker30"Today only free birth control for all religious folk!
I would think that the birth rate wouldn't be so damned high,but then alot of people wouldn't have died in religious wars so not sure.I do think that people would get along much better,there would be nothing to seperate them on the religious front.But I know people would have to find something to fight over land probley.There would be no hate for atheists  :lol:  I'm glad I already have my boys then.

A world without religion?
I have to say that religion is an oppressive force in the world, however in times past when humans needed to band together over a common cause it has come in handy. Of course it was usually to the ditriment of another people group, but that's an unfortunate by product. Now that major civilizations have become firmly established I think religion can safely be done away with. We no longer need to all believe in the same supernatural fly swatter in the sky to make us behave. Just like many other religions of the past the main religions of today will eventually evolve, blend, or dissolve into time and kids will study them as myths. Bla bla bla . . .
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