Just curious as what you all think will be written in the history books of the future.
History's going to look back on him very, very well.
Bill Maher once compared him to the first African-American to play in Major League Baseball, Jackie Robinson, and it's very apt here. Jackie endured all sorts of racial abuse and never once spoke up or reacted angrily, just put his head down and played and kicked ass. That's a significant part of Obama's legacy. But hell, anyone who accomplished what he did deserves quite a bit of recognition:
- prevented a depression
- overhauled the health care system
- pulled us out of Iraq and Afghanista
- invested heavily in green jobs
- took out Osama bin Laden
- re-established ties with Cuba
- ended Don't Ask Don't Tell
- made a nuclear agreement with Iran
I could go on. And he did all of this in the face of outright hostility from Congress, with racist overtones, yet managed to get elected twice. How he managed to stay as calm and rational as he has is in the face of all the abuse he's taken is beyond me.
In nonbiased and liberal history books: probably very well. In Conservative history books: the Antichrist.
-Nam
He's clearly show his antipathy to the UK, so cobblers to him.
Quote from: OldGit on March 18, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
He's clearly show his antipathy to the UK, so cobblers to him.
I would as well if I was him. Our politicians are like parasites trying to feed of their economy and achievements whilst having the pretence of being a super power. You would think public school boys would have learned the basics of knowing ones place in the world.
Quote from: OldGit on March 18, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
He's clearly show his antipathy to the UK, so cobblers to him.
Do you have a list of grievances you could post?
Quote from: Recusant on March 18, 2016, 12:44:16 PM
Quote from: OldGit on March 18, 2016, 09:46:16 AM
He's clearly show his antipathy to the UK, so cobblers to him.
Do you have a list of grievances you could post?
Jezus how long have you got to read it! :grin:
Quote from: Tank on March 18, 2016, 12:50:46 PMJezus how long have you got to read it! :grin:
Some substantive issues would be of interest. ;)
Quote from: Recusant on March 18, 2016, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 18, 2016, 12:50:46 PMJezus how long have you got to read it! :grin:
Some substantive issues would be of interest. ;)
Look for some Telegraph articles or anything pro "Brexit".
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
Quote from: Recusant on March 18, 2016, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: Tank on March 18, 2016, 12:50:46 PMJezus how long have you got to read it! :grin:
Some substantive issues would be of interest. ;)
Look for some Telegraph articles or anything pro "Brexit".
Why does he have to do the research when you made the statement?
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on March 18, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
Why does he have to do the research when you made the statement?
-Nam
No I didn't.
Apply your intellect when reading and you might notice not only are their different names attached to the posts but very different looking avatars.
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Quote from: Nam on March 18, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
Why does he have to do the research when you made the statement?
-Nam
No I didn't.
Apply your intellect when reading and you might notice not only are their different names attached to the posts but very different looking avatars.
It was a mistake. They happen. I'm on a phone, everything's condensed.
-Nam
He's certainly not the worst we've had, nor the best. I'd put him about 15-20 of the 43 we've had (there are only 43, not 44, as Grover Cleveland is counted twice for his two non-consecutive terms). Lincoln would be 1, Buchanan 43.
I think that he will only be remembered for being the first [half] black democratic president.
Like Bruce already said, he is not the best nor the worst president of the USA.
I'd like him to be remembered well so I'd like president Hillary to make the Obamacare term official, put in on all the paperwork. Let all future conservative rodents accepting care know where it came from.
The actual care could obviously do with a bit of broadening though.
Quote from: Tom62 on March 19, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
I think that he will only be remembered for being the first [half] black democratic president.
Like Bruce already said, he is not the best nor the worst president of the USA.
I agree.
I think it will depend on our next two, possibly 3 presidents.
Quote from: Pasta Chick on March 19, 2016, 03:32:12 PM
I think it will depend on our next two, possibly 3 presidents.
President Trump and president Palin ;)?
Haha Palin won't ever make president.
Seriously, though, we're on the verge of a major shift in one direction or another. No matter who the winner is this round, the other party is going to try to rally next election. History is written by those in charge. We'll just have to see what happens.
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2016, 02:15:00 PMLook for some Telegraph articles or anything pro "Brexit".
I found a list composed mostly of petty bitching (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100215856/barack-obamas-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2013-edition/), and in my opinion the only substantive issue there is the Falklands issue. I disagree with the administration's stance on that.
As for Brexit, I don't seen anything anti-Britain in his opinion--there are plenty of British people who don't think leaving the EU is a very good idea.
Quote from: Recusant on March 20, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2016, 02:15:00 PMLook for some Telegraph articles or anything pro "Brexit".
I found a list composed mostly of petty bitching (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100215856/barack-obamas-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2013-edition/), and in my opinion the only substantive issue there is the Falklands issue. I disagree with the administration's stance on that.
As for Brexit, I don't seen anything anti-Britain in his opinion--there are plenty of British people who don't think leaving the EU is a very good idea.
The pro Brexit people dislike Obama because he has said Britain should stay in. Since then the Telegraph has pretty much placed him in a no pile but they had reservations about him before hand but that isn't really unique to him but rather American politicians in general, the Telegraph has an overarching narrative that the Whitehouse regardless of who is holding office dislikes the UK and creates lots of little articles bringing anything of potential dislike into an article. Who is going to form trade unions with the UK if they leave the EU is a big issue and those that speak negatively about the issue from other countries have often been highlighted as only a single opinion that doesn't like the UK anyway.
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 17, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
Just curious as what you all think will be written in the history books of the future.
By the Dems as our first president of color whose administration was largely successful despite partisan resistance every step of the way.
By the Repubs as that black guy.
Quote from: MadBomr101 on March 25, 2016, 01:41:28 AM
Quote from: Claireliontamer on March 17, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
Just curious as what you all think will be written in the history books of the future.
By the Dems as our first president of color whose administration was largely successful despite partisan resistance every step of the way.
By the Repubs as that black illegitimate Muslim foreigner guy.
Fixed your last line.
-Nam
Quote from: Recusant on March 20, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
Quote from: Crow on March 18, 2016, 02:15:00 PMLook for some Telegraph articles or anything pro "Brexit".
I found a list composed mostly of petty bitching (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100215856/barack-obamas-top-ten-insults-against-britain-2013-edition/), and in my opinion the only substantive issue there is the Falklands issue. I disagree with the administration's stance on that.
As for Brexit, I don't seen anything anti-Britain in his opinion--there are plenty of British people who don't think leaving the EU is a very good idea.
Britain is pretty well liked by the majority of Americans. Maybe some drunk Irish in Boston don't like it, but most of us are Anglophiles to some extent.
I agree with Bruce. Those of us who have paid attention readily acknowledge and appreciate the contributions to civilization made by the Brits, past and present.
We are not particularly fond of the strange food that you use nor the warm beer or the football hooligans. Aside from that, I want to be fast friends with the queens subjects.
I suspect that the ordinary citizen of Britain may have an inaccurate impression of our attitude.