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Religion => Creationism/Intelligent Design => Topic started by: zorkan on February 16, 2024, 11:58:35 AM

Title: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 16, 2024, 11:58:35 AM
The pious can't have it all their own way by saying that all life was plonked down fully formed in a day.

The bible supports evolution.
Dragons, unicorns, satyrs and the cockatrice are all the bible.
Extinctions and transitional species are supported by evolution.

Dragon: cross between lion and bird.
Unicorn: cross between horse and rhino (possibly).
Satyr: cross between man and goat.

As for the one and only cockatrice: only god knows.

https://www.craiyon.com/image/hSa8owA8QZ6Vzh8V8zkSoQ 

https://www.biblestudy.org/bible-study-by-topic/mythical-animals-in-the-bible/cockatrice.html

"And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp (in reference to the peace brought by the millennial reign of Christ), and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice den (Isaiah 11:8, KJV)"
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 16, 2024, 12:07:06 PM
Mermaids. Seemingly-mammals, what with having usually-sizable boobs, at least in the more modern depictions, but one has to wonder, how do they do the nasty? I mean, do mermen just release their seed into the water in the hopes that it may get inside a mermaid? Would that be against the lord's command not to spilleth one's seedeth? Or is it only wrong to spilleth it on the groundeth, in shich case you can wank off to your heart's content, as long as you do it in the shower?

...Or are mermaids quite simply of Satan, and thus a abomination unto the lord?

It's high philosophy, this is. :smilenod: Important questions what need answering. :smilenod: For the betterment of humanity as well as mermaidity.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 16, 2024, 12:25:54 PM
Where are mermaids or mermen mentioned in the bible?

quote: The Bible does not specifically address the existence of mermaids, nor does it mention any similar creature. However, some Christians believe that the existence of mermaids is possible because God created a vast and diverse world with many creatures, some of which are yet to be discovered.

They could be there then, but just out of sight at the moment.
Might be a reference to the dugong.
https://cosmosmagazine.com/nature/amoty/mammal-dugongs-mermaid-mythology/
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 16, 2024, 02:02:45 PM
They are just like gods, you see. I mean, it could have been mermaids doing their mermaiding. :smilenod:

Come to think of it, grasses spill their seeds into the wind and are seemingly LORD-approved, so as long as you spank the proverbial monkey in a wind tunnel, you're going straight to Heaven. :smilenod:

...Wind tunnels, showers... If you use a paper towel and then burn it off the ground... Methinks I'm starting to identify some clever loopholes in His stern command.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 17, 2024, 02:10:07 PM
Have to assume that breeding pairs of unicorns and satyrs were on Noah's Ark.
Dragons and cockatrices might have been circling overhead.
Mermaids, had they existed, and other aquatic species would be in their natural habitat.

What could throw some doubt on biblical evolution is the discovery of a cockatrice in the pre-Cambrian.
The oldest geological layer can only have dated back  6000 years.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 21, 2024, 12:32:55 PM
First animal in god's creation appears to have been the behemoth.
From the book of Job.

Take now behemoth, whom I made as I did you;
He eats grass, like the cattle.
His strength is in his loins,
His might in the muscles of his belly.
He makes his tail stand up like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
His bones are like tubes of bronze,
His limbs like iron rods.
He is the first of God's works.

As I would like to hear a sermon on this powerful creature, do you know one?
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 21, 2024, 01:35:23 PM
Loins, six-packs, up-standing cedars and iron rods, eh? What was it, a gay-vague wrestler from Ancient Greece? :snicker1:

The homoerotic metaphor is strong with our good friend Work. :smilenod:
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Icarus on February 22, 2024, 01:59:48 AM
It would seem that when Noah's Ark landed, after the deluge had receded, all the beasts were released to go forth as they pleased.

It must be true that the predator beasts chilled out long enough for the beasts of prey to reproduce. Meanwhile the predators became very hungry. Out of necessity, they became vegetarians. That is how the consumption of Broccoli, Cabbage and Brussels Sprouts became a staple among humans. The outcome is that farts were invented and practiced among all the mammals in the Lords Kingdom.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2024, 08:09:28 AM
...Also the ark landed on all the mermaids and squished them to death. That's why no mermaids today. :sadnod:
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 22, 2024, 12:05:31 PM
Don't be ridiculous.
Mermaids would have sensed the ark and fled.

What we know about behemoths from the bible is that they were vegetarian.
They could be what we now call a dinosaur. I'll guess at the Stegosaurus, as it was both powerful and mighty and vegetarian.
We also know that grass was provided ready grown for them when they were plonked down by god within the 6 days of creation week.
It's evidence that humans walked the earth with these large creatures.
As all the large land dinosaurs are now extinct it proves evolution is part of the bible.
Extinction is a vital element of evolution.
If the dino's hadn't become extinct humans would not be here to take over from them as rulers of the planet.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stegosaurus+facts&safe=active&sca_esv=ae00ca4afbc9d4da&ei=GjTXZaCWGvuphbIPxM68oAE&oq=Stegosaurus&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiC1N0ZWdvc2F1cnVzKgIIAjIQEC4YQxiDARixAxiABBiKBTIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMg4QABiABBiKBRixAxiDAUirTVAAWABwAHgAkAEAmAGeAaABngGqAQMwLjG4AQHIAQD4AQL4AQHCAh8QLhhDGIMBGLEDGIAEGIoFGJcFGNwEGN4EGN8E2AEBugYGCAEQARgU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 22, 2024, 04:20:05 PM
Yeah, but a Stego had beer belly, not one of them x-packs that was implied by the good prophet.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 22, 2024, 04:40:09 PM
Only if it gets up on its hind legs.
See picture 2.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/fat-belly-animal.html?sortBy=relevant

2 Stego's upright standing facing each other might look like a cedar tree.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 22, 2024, 06:35:02 PM
On Noah's Ark must also have been a breeding pair of kangaroos having hopped all the way from Australia and arriving just in time for the big flood.
But how did they cross the sea?
Must assume that kangeroos were found everywhere before, then after the waters went down the surviving couple migrated down under.
Noah's age at the time was 600 years and the event happened 5000 BC.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533#:~:text=By%20carbon%20dating%20shells%20found,Noah%27s%20flood%20could%20have%20occurred.

If evolution is true then why have there not been any more significant evolved species since?
Fossils prove the flood happened in the form of individuals that were turned away.
Rewrites all history, geography and biology.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 23, 2024, 02:26:21 PM
Survival of the fittest was a term made at the time of Darwin.
Great beasts of Africa had to cross the mighty Nile and desert before arriving at the ark.
Only the very fittest could have made it,, also proving an aspect of evolution.
Not sure how Noah catered for all their different diets.
He would need to have fenced off species that were likely to consume each other.

Stowaways might have included thousands of different types of beetles.
God never grew tired of creating beetles.

"The Creator, if He exists, has "an inordinate fondness for beetles". If one could conclude as to the nature of the Creator from a study of creation, it would appear that God has an inordinate fondness for stars and beetles." (JBS Haldane).



Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: billy rubin on February 23, 2024, 05:05:29 PM
and no rabbits in the precambrian.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 24, 2024, 11:29:35 AM
The greatest grand-daddy of us all was Adam.

"First God made Adam from the dirt. Instead of making Eve from the dirt, God thought it would be best to yank a rib from Adam. He used this rib to make Eve. So, the quote "you are someone else's rib" could mean that you are made from your parents or you are, from a long line of ancestors, made from Adam's rib."

Clear evidence of common ancestry here.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on February 24, 2024, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on February 23, 2024, 05:05:29 PMand no rabbits in the precambrian.
This article does not rule out fossil rabbits in the PC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian_rabbit

God either buried fossils as a test of faith or fossils are evidence of what failed to make it to the ark.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: billy rubin on February 24, 2024, 05:42:50 PM
rabbits in the precambrian would not disprove evolutionary theory.

they would absolutely disprove the current model of chordate phylogenetics. if the anomaly could not be resolved, then evolutionary theory would be falsified.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on February 26, 2024, 12:02:27 PM
:this: :smilenod:

You know how they say that there be devils in them details? It is precisely because sweeping generalisations are sweepingly general and therefore not very useful when it comes to the specifics of an issue.

Pre-Cambrian rabbit does not equal to evolution is false does not equal to therefore god. A whole slew of questions would have to be asked and answered from 1 to 2, and then from 2 to 3.

Here's a few;

Did the fossil originate where discovered? (As in, does it "belong?") Does the fossil share common ancestry with known life forms? (As in, is it a rabbit, or a rabbit-like life form of different origin?) Did the paleontologist screw up? Are we quite sure about that? So forth.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on March 02, 2024, 01:13:40 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on February 26, 2024, 12:02:27 PMDid the fossil originate where discovered? (As in, does it "belong?") Does the fossil share common ancestry with known life forms? (As in, is it a rabbit, or a rabbit-like life form of different origin?) Did the paleontologist screw up? Are we quite sure about that? So forth.

Just like you throw away the bones from your box of KFC, it is possible that passing aliens threw away bones from their boxes of Sirius Fried Dinosaur.
I can't be serious!
Yet no complete large land dinosaur fossils have ever been found. (1)
Maybe the aliens were pranksters. Maybe god is a prankster.

Paleontology is not a precise science.

What does evolve is the whole concept of god to fit the age we live in.

(1)  Hadrosaurus was nearly complete. Alien might not have liked the taste after the first sample.
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: Asmodean on March 04, 2024, 09:23:32 AM
Quote from: zorkan on March 02, 2024, 01:13:40 PMJust like you throw away the bones from your box of KFC, it is possible that passing aliens threw away bones from their boxes of Sirius Fried Dinosaur.
I can't be serious!
Actually, this is more pertinent a question than its framing might suggest.

Replace "passing aliens" with "some process," which may or may not involve dino-munching extraterrestrials, and you may find that there are ways for a fossil to find itself "where it ought not be." Of course, there are ways of detecting the like. Just a for-instance, but seems plausible; You find a rock in "new" sediment in the wake of a melted glacier. Inside that rock, there is a Anomalocaris fossil. What would one of the most ancient predators known be doing in the soil deposited after the early hominids banged their first rocks against each other to create "knives?" In this case, it was dragged there by the glacier. I expect that more intricate ways of achieving such-like are available.

QuoteYet no complete large land dinosaur fossils have ever been found.
Maybe it was before the Ancient Egyptians taught them ancient aliens the art of mummification. :smilenod:
Title: Re: Evolution in the bible
Post by: zorkan on March 05, 2024, 01:01:05 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on March 04, 2024, 09:23:32 AMMaybe it was before the Ancient Egyptians taught them ancient aliens the art of mummification. :smilenod:

Paying special notice to the first part, here is the whole process of mummification:

1. Insert a hook through a hole near the nose and pull out part of the brain
2. Make a cut on the left side of the body near the tummy
3. Remove all internal organs
4. Let the internal organs dry
5. Place the lungs, intestines, stomach and liver inside canopic jars
6. Place the heart back inside the body
6. Rinse inside of body with wine and spices
7. Cover the corpse with natron (salt) for 70 days
8. After 40 days stuff the body with linen or sand to give it a more human shape
9. After the 70 days wrap the body from head to toe in bandages
10. Place in a sarcophagus (a type of box like a coffin)

I feel them ancient aliens would have just thrown their corpses into space.