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General => Philosophy => Topic started by: Dagda on February 16, 2010, 07:14:53 PM

Title: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: Dagda on February 16, 2010, 07:14:53 PM
Comments on (or in?) another thread got me thinking and I have come up with this: most truths should be based upon fact, but some truths are self evident. For instance we assume it is true that the Universe as we know it exists (solipsism is wrong etc) even although there is no way to be certain of this fact. However, at which point do we say that this truth is self evident and this one requires evidence?
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: AlP on February 17, 2010, 03:41:47 AM
I think there is strong evidence that the universe is all around me.
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: Whitney on February 17, 2010, 04:35:36 AM
I think there are some things that we might as well accept as a functional truth simply because doing otherwise isn't conducive to enjoying life or even just simply functioning.  Like why should I waste time I could spend enjoying the universe worrying about if it is just a figment of my imagination?
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: AlP on February 17, 2010, 05:04:23 AM
I'd replace "a functional truth" in the above with "reality". Humans constructed truth.
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: Dagda on February 17, 2010, 07:39:48 PM
Quote from: "AlP"I think there is strong evidence that the universe is all around me.


Actually there is not. There is strong evidence to suggest that you (me) exist, but as far as I am aware anything beyond that is completely unproven.
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: Whitney on February 17, 2010, 09:34:16 PM
Quote from: "AlP"I'd replace "a functional truth" in the above with "reality". Humans constructed truth.

I agree with your wording change.
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: SSY on February 18, 2010, 02:15:44 AM
Quote from: "Dagda"
Quote from: "AlP"I think there is strong evidence that the universe is all around me.


Actually there is not. There is strong evidence to suggest that you (me) exist, but as far as I am aware anything beyond that is completely unproven.

Sure, it is unproven, but if the only thing you're willing to accept is your own existence, you are going to lead a pretty empty life. I think it is better to accept (tentatively) that the world around me is more or less as it seems, and live my life on that basis, with a chance of being wrong, than take some mad solipsism inspired path through life (whatever the hell that would be, solipsism kinda sucks for guiding you through life I imagine).
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: AlP on February 18, 2010, 02:43:48 AM
Quote from: "Dagda"
Quote from: "AlP"I think there is strong evidence that the universe is all around me.
Actually there is not. There is strong evidence to suggest that you (me) exist, but as far as I am aware anything beyond that is completely unproven.
I wasn't suggesting it is proven, only that there is strong evidence.
Title: Re: We Hold These Truths to be Self Evident
Post by: metalchick717 on February 18, 2010, 06:42:58 PM
It would be really nice if these things could be proven. Alas, they remain theories.