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General => Ethics => Topic started by: MarcusA on April 25, 2023, 08:09:43 PM

Title: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: MarcusA on April 25, 2023, 08:09:43 PM
Is there any way of getting beyond good and evil to absolute freedom? And what would absolute freedom look like? I suppose ethically absolute freedom would mean some kind of anarchy. But, politically, I'm a socialist. I believe absolute freedom would be kinder than what we have now which is chaos within order.
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: Old Seer on April 26, 2023, 12:32:33 AM
As I understand it a person wouldn't be able to get beyond good and evil. All are surrounded by both outwardly and inwardly. To get beyond would be the same as getting beyond one's self. Both are the consequences of life itself. We cannot exist without both. Much of the good we encounter originates from evil as good can be (or is) a consequence of evil. Business is an example-- one must give up something (Money from labor -hardship- an evil) in order to get something, a good (a product of the labors of another)
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: MarcusA on April 26, 2023, 02:12:48 AM
I have thought for a while that war is evil but conceived by love, the ultimate good.
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: MarcusA on April 27, 2023, 09:22:40 PM
Absolute freedom is really a mind thing, not a social reality.
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: Recusant on April 27, 2023, 09:56:14 PM
As the narcissist bishop said to the incredulous actress.  :sidesmile:
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: Asmodean on April 28, 2023, 07:42:54 AM
Quote from: MarcusA on April 25, 2023, 08:09:43 PMIs there any way of getting beyond good and evil to absolute freedom? And what would absolute freedom look like? I suppose ethically absolute freedom would mean some kind of anarchy. But, politically, I'm a socialist. I believe absolute freedom would be kinder than what we have now which is chaos within order.
"Absolute" freedom would be a society of one. You could not sustainably interact with another conscious creature and maintain it. Even a cat would do its utmost to inflict upon you some unfortunate consequences for claiming your right to drag it by the tail.
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: Old Seer on April 28, 2023, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: MarcusA on April 27, 2023, 09:22:40 PMAbsolute freedom is really a mind thing, not a social reality.
Every person is a set of psychological facts. Psychiatry is the study and analytics of person (those facts) not the physical. The physical is the median of action and contact between persons.
Title: Re: Beyond Good and Evil
Post by: MarcusA on April 29, 2023, 02:55:00 AM
Quote from: Old Seer on April 28, 2023, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: MarcusA on April 27, 2023, 09:22:40 PMAbsolute freedom is really a mind thing, not a social reality.
Every person is a set of psychological facts. Psychiatry is the study and analytics of person (those facts) not the physical. The physical is the median of action and contact between persons.

I am starting to get a better picture of you, Old Seer.