Just thought I'd get the ball rolling since I hadn't seen a topic on this one yet...
Thoughts?
(mine: About Damn TIME!)
I think it'll ultimately come down to a waste of time and money, but on the other hand I love it.
I don't think it will have much effect on the coming presidential election: At this point, very few people in the US are undecided in regards to the current president, and I don't think this is going to sway many one way or another. After seeing the US reelect Reagan, I resigned myself to pessimism when considering presidential elections. Of course I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised.
He may be impeached in due course, but there's practically no chance the Senate will convict.
Yes! About Damn TIME!
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My take is that Pelosi was "dragging her feet" for two reasons- starting now will keep it in the news all the way through the election cycle, and if Pence gets the same treatment (after the chump threw him under the bus by claiming that Pence had also talked to Ukrainian officials) and they are removed, she is the president. That's going to cause a gigantic kerfuffle with the republicans! For that matter, Macauley, Barr and Giuliani are also implicated.
The problem is my fellow fucking Americans. Trump is doing blatantly impeachable shit almost every day. Why couldn't he be impeached for lying about the traitor he chose for his first national security advisor? Why couldn't he be impeached for excluding all American press from the Oval Office when he hosted the Russian ambassador and some other Russian official and told them the "pressure [was] off" since he'd just fired Comey? The list of egregious on-the-record, thoroughly reported shit just goes on and on. He's so skewed what normal is. I'm so embarrassed and disheartened by my fellow Americans that the political will isn't there to impeach the MF already. People are still ENTHUSIASTIC about this guy. At this point, I feel like we Americans deserve what we get. If that many of my countryman are that fucking stupid, uninformed, and uncaring, then our country deserves to spiral into oblivion. To quote the orangutan, "Sad."
It will be waste of money and effort. It could even backfire tremendously. The democrats has to come up with a good presidential candidate to beat Trump in 2020. This impeachment process makes it look like that they don't have one and that they are now desperately looking for other means to throw Trump out of office.
Quote from: Tom62 on September 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
It will be waste of money and effort. It could even backfire tremendously. The democrats has to come up with a good presidential candidate to beat Trump in 2020. This impeachment process makes it look like that they don't have one and that they are now desperately looking for other means to throw Trump out of office.
Yup.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on September 27, 2019, 11:05:33 PM
My take is that Pelosi was "dragging her feet" for two reasons- starting now will keep it in the news all the way through the election cycle, and if Pence gets the same treatment (after the chump threw him under the bus by claiming that Pence had also talked to Ukrainian officials) and they are removed, she is the president. That's going to cause a gigantic kerfuffle with the republicans! For that matter, Macauley, Barr and Giuliani are also implicated.
President Pelosi... the ultimate 3-D Chess game?
Quote from: Tom62 on September 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
... This impeachment process makes it look like that they don't have one and that they are now desperately looking for other means to throw Trump out of office.
:smileshake:
Trump did this to himself, many times already, like Anne D. said:
Quote from: Anne D. on September 28, 2019, 05:53:00 AM
...Trump is doing blatantly impeachable shit almost every day...
So now the democrats look bad for trying to stop him from doing more shit?
:picard facepalm:
Dios mio!
I don't want Trump as President, but I fear this will have negative effects on the election. However, now it looks like public opinion may be moving in favor of impeachment. That being said, it's almost impossible to conceive that the Senate will convict him. That would mean that about 20 GOP Senators would have to vote against him to get the 2/3 majority required by the Constitution. If you added all the moral integrity of each GOP Senator together, you might have enough for 2-3 people, so that ain't gonna do it. They are all too far up his ass to act on their own - they are all polyps on Trump's colon at this point.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on September 30, 2019, 02:33:10 AM
...- they are all polyps on Trump's colon at this point.
Dios mio!
That image in my head!
:picard facepalm:
Why?
Why do I keep coming back for more!?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on September 30, 2019, 02:33:10 AM
I don't want Trump as President, but I fear this will have negative effects on the election. However, now it looks like public opinion may be moving in favor of impeachment. That being said, it's almost impossible to conceive that the Senate will convict him. That would mean that about 20 GOP Senators would have to vote against him to get the 2/3 majority required by the Constitution. If you added all the moral integrity of each GOP Senator together, you might have enough for 2-3 people, so that ain't gonna do it. They are all too far up his ass to act on their own - they are all polyps on Trump's colon at this point.
I hope you are wrong. I fear you are absolutely right. Second term anybody?
I think it's good and that as much as possible needs to be made public.
We don't have a large data set to work from. Most recently there are two cases, Clinton and Nixon. When Clinton was impeached it helped him out more than hurt him as could be seen in polls around that time. To be fair though, he was impeached for lying about sexual relations, not lying about national security issues and using the power of his office to enrich himself. Does anyone even remember what the Clinton investigation started as? I don't think most of Republicans who bring it up do, I bet they'd have to google it real quick when challenged.
Nixon was not impeached, he resigned before he was. Nixon won by a lot more than Trump did and he was a more popular candidate and president by 20-30 points. All that changed after the impeachment inquiry had revealed all his sneaky shit he did to enrich himself. His numbers dropped about 20 points quickly to around 40, then kept dropping until he was pressured to resign with the sweetheart deal of being pardoned.
Based on these two cases, I think the Trump impeachment inquiry are more likely to skew towards the Nixon example than the Clinton example.
The only risk I think is if they decide to limit the case to something as narrow as this one phone call. I think they should lump in all his constitutional violations especially the emoluments clause.
Quote from: Davin on September 30, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
The only risk I think is if they decide to limit the case to something as narrow as this one phone call. I think they should lump in all his constitutional violations especially the emoluments clause.
Right now Pelosi is limiting the inquiry. I think she wants to shorten the inquiry process so they can get a vote sooner.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on September 30, 2019, 04:21:24 PM
Quote from: Davin on September 30, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
The only risk I think is if they decide to limit the case to something as narrow as this one phone call. I think they should lump in all his constitutional violations especially the emoluments clause.
Right now Pelosi is limiting the inquiry. I think she wants to shorten the inquiry process so they can get a vote sooner.
Yeah, she's finally starting the inquiry, but still doing it wrong. At least in my opinion.
Watch this fascinating video, if you are interested to know what all this fuzz is about and why Trump should be impeached.
The chump isn't the only turd in the punch bowl, but he's going to dodge prison due to a pardon is my bet. The rest will go the way of Michael Cohen and company.
He literally just asked China to dig up dirt on Biden... On camera.
Quote from: joeactor on October 03, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
He literally just asked China to dig up dirt on Biden... On camera.
He's a criminal. He doesn't even know what he does is wrong.
Quote from: joeactor on October 03, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
He literally just asked China to dig up dirt on Biden... On camera.
That is so crazy that it defies belief...yet here we are.
Quote from: joeactor on October 03, 2019, 08:40:34 PM
He literally just asked China to dig up dirt on Biden... On camera.
And the Republicans (namely Rubio) already have a defense, that he wasn't
seriously asking that, he's just doing it to troll the liberals.
This is not good. If they can excuse something as blatant as that, they will literally excuse
anything.
[Bully has a kid by the neck, ready to punch, when a big friend of the potential victim appears] hah, hah, just kidding. That shit didn't fly in the schoolyard, and it certainly shouldn't fly in the world of adults.