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Genesis VS Science: Earth, life, and the Heavens

Started by TheJackel, March 09, 2010, 11:40:55 PM

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Here we are going to talk about the things on a list given to us as some sort of non-empirical evidence of a God's existence.. This will be a first in a series that will clearly object to any such notion that these things are evidence of a Creator. And I will even add things to the list for fun!

SOURCE:
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

First on the List.. Earth!

Quote:

    1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.


     Here we can see the complexity argument, but I will save the complexity argument for another Topic/Thread and start with science vs Genesis. Genesis is the religious account by many theists as to how the planet and the universe were supposedly created. However, within Genesis we can clearly see the fallacies of its account in both the process of Earths formation, the universe, and how life began. So lets just take a moment to explore this shall we?

GENESIS VS SCIENCE:

1) Earth, Light, And the heavens:

[youtube:2qwfgapa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x8-KMR0nx8[/youtube:2qwfgapa]

     After watching the above video we can see that Genesis 1 & 2's  creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. Genesis 1:1 The Earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. Light didn't even come into play until (Genesis 1:3) (evilbible.com)

      Here we can clearly see the obvious fallacy in the order in which things had actually occurred! Many theists try to claim that "Let there be Light" as their answer to the Big Bang theory.. However This is false, and is a prime example of theists not knowing what is written in Genesis! And even worse yet they are contradicting themselves. Or we can see that they are simply lying and making up their own accounts to line up with science knowing that their original claims are obviously incorrect. This is essentially religious evolution, or an example of religious especiation taking place . So, Genesis states that Earth was created before the heavens (the stars, space, ectra) to where Earth was an example of primacy or first in order. This notion of primacy was around the belief that Earth was the Center of the Universe and that everything revolved around it.However, with a mere telescope we can verify it is literally impossible to state that "let there be light" is in reference to the Big Bang theory! This is especially true since light doesn't occur until Genesis 1:3. The light in Genesis 1:3 is in reference to our own Sun and has nothing to do with the Big Bang.

     Anyone with the most basic knowledge of astrology or our universe will know that Earth was not created before the Stars or the rest of the universe! In fact Earth, the Sun, the solar system, and even the Milky Way Galaxy are all literally insignificant micro specs in the vastness of just our observable Universe as we know it! Here our actual importance is literally meaningless in regards to existence as a whole. Well, to put this into perspective we can watch the following video on the most important image that mankind has ever taken of the cosmos to better understand how insignificant we really are.
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[youtube:2qwfgapa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBV-cXVWFw[/youtube:2qwfgapa]
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     After watching this video we can clearly see why Earth was not created before the rest of the Universe. We also can not ignore the fact that the type of Star we orbit is a very young Star and Could also not be the first star to exist in the sky! So here we can without argument conclude that Genesis is wrong on all accounts according to basic observation of our universe! And theist need to come up with better way to lie without self contradiction..


2) Light and Life: (Genesis 1 :14-19)


     These violate two major facts. Light cannot exist without a sun, and secondly, how can morning be distinguished from evening without the sun, moon, or stars? Here we can see yet another self contradiction that leads to the following problem! Plants are made on the third day (Genesis 1:11) before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (evilbible.com) (Genesis 1:14-19). This poses a great problem for the creationists because without a Sun there is no possibility of plant life! The other problem is that plants are not the first forms of life to have existed on Earth.. In biblical times these people had no clue about the world of microbes or bacteria, they had no concept of life living and growing around thermal vents at the bottom of the Oceans either.. And 2ndly, plants today are almost all flowering plants that rely on other animals and plants to exist! Such as the Venus fly trap, or parasitic plants that rely on other plants like a tree to do their photosynthesis for them!.. Theist fail to address how all plants came before animals when they are reliant on them in a co-dependency, or how plants came before the Sun! Theists now have to struggle with explaining co-evolution that defies the notion of plants before animals found in most cases of current plant life. This is especially problematic if you consider a day of Genesis being 1000 years vs 24 hours! And even under the 24 hours period, plants can neither grow, or live without sunlight!

Plant evolution sources:

http://www.world-builders.org/lessons/less/les8/Vles8r.html
http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/oso/public/content/biology/9780198515340/toc.html

3) Bonus argument on Earth's Atmosphere!:

In genesis the heavens that separated the land and sea were created after plants? No atmosphere makes it really difficult for plants to process CO2.. And the vacuum of space..wait space didn't exist yet? So how does Earth take up space if the heavens haven't been created yet? Does Earth not sit within the Heavens? Travel through them? Orbit around our star? Well, lets just pretend space was created before hand for sake of fun argument.. How did these plants survive the vacuum of space? -300 some degrees is a pretty damn harsh environment for a Plant to survive! So we now have an atmosphere problem. And things get worse for the creationist account because Earth's atmosphere is a prime example of the evolutionary process to where we are on our 3rd atmosphere. And I will be refuting Sarfati's claims on this subject in a related post later on :) Cheers!