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Should we take Donald Trump seriously? It amazes me to think that a reality show star who has filed bankruptcy so many times could run for president but in America.... I think he could. And win. :sigh:

If Trump were to become President, I would move to Canada.  That's not even a joke, seriously, I will move to Canada.  I will strap moose horns to my head and start singing, "Ohhhh Canada!"

Quote from: "Sophus"Should we take Donald Trump seriously? It amazes me to think that a reality show star who has filed bankruptcy so many times could run for president but in America.... I think he could. And win. :sigh:

Seriously...he couldn't do any worse.  To me, he is business savvy and this country needs some business sense to help lift it out of a deepening hole.  It really doesn't matter that he's filed bankrupcy, what matters is whether he is a successful business man and has some different knowledge to bring.  It's my feeling that some may be worse than others, but in the great scheme of things, the trend, if we stay with the custom of voting in career politicians, will only show a downward spiral.  Any change, to me, is a good change.  Taxes will go up and the government will always take more than we wish.

I'm all for Trump, should he choose to run.  I'd rather watch his no-nonsence manner of work ethic than our current "leader" any day.

Quote from: "rawrdog822"If Trump were to become President, I would move to Canada.  That's not even a joke, seriously, I will move to Canada.  I will strap moose horns to my head and start singing, "Ohhhh Canada!"

I feel the same way about a certain alaskan diva.

As for Trump - I would never ever vote for that weazel.

I also saw that Rozanne is running for President. Go figure.

Who's Donald Trump again? Isn't he some rich famous actor guy?

Quote from: "BadPoison"I feel the same way about a certain alaskan diva.

It is my opinion that this Alaskan Diva is quite good looking.  This is enough for me to vote for her.
This goes along with my opinion/thinking that there's not many individuals that can do any worse than the drivel we have to choose from already.
I may pay more attention to politics given a better something to look at.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Should we take Donald Trump seriously? It amazes me to think that a reality show star who has filed bankruptcy so many times could run for president but in America.... I think he could. And win. :sigh:

Seriously...he couldn't do any worse.  To me, he is business savvy....

Going in and out of bankruptcy over and over again is business savvy?

Quote from: "Sophus"Going in and out of bankruptcy over and over again is business savvy?

He's not pushing a hot dog cart around NYC, is he?

i think Trump's main talent is for self-promotion.  You don't hear that much from genuinely talented people in business because they're too busy making money.  Trump is a loud-mouthed schmuck, but the people of the US have always had a soft spot for that type.

Quote from: "Recusant"Trump is a loud-mouthed schmuck, but the people of the US have always had a soft spot for that type.

This is probably true.  More so, though, of the career politician(s).

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Quote from: "Sophus"Going in and out of bankruptcy over and over again is business savvy?

He's not pushing a hot dog cart around NYC, is he?

Is Obama? Is Bush?

Trump has been very, very rich but he ha also been very, very poor ($900 million in debt). It's not like he worked his way up from scratch or anything either. His dad only had a net-worth of - what - $300 million?

Quote from: "Sophus"Trump has been very, very rich but he ha also been very, very poor ($900 million in debt). It's not like he worked his way up from scratch or anything either. His dad only had a net-worth of - what - $300 million?

It's okay.  He's different.  He has a business mind that is geared towards making profit...He can't make it any worse than the trend we have been seeing in our leadership now.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Trump has been very, very rich but he ha also been very, very poor ($900 million in debt). It's not like he worked his way up from scratch or anything either. His dad only had a net-worth of - what - $300 million?

It's okay.  He's different.  He has a business mind that is geared towards making profit...He can't make it any worse than the trend we have been seeing in our leadership now.

Ahem... that you saw in Bush.  

We're out of the recession now that Bush and the Republicans put us in.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Trump has been very, very rich but he ha also been very, very poor ($900 million in debt). It's not like he worked his way up from scratch or anything either. His dad only had a net-worth of - what - $300 million?

It's okay.  He's different.  He has a business mind that is geared towards making profit...He can't make it any worse than the trend we have been seeing in our leadership now.

Ahem... that you saw in Bush.  

We're out of the recession now that Bush and the Republicans put us in.

Republican/Democrat...either way, they are politicians.  Trained liars.  Some are just better at it.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Trump has been very, very rich but he ha also been very, very poor ($900 million in debt). It's not like he worked his way up from scratch or anything either. His dad only had a net-worth of - what - $300 million?

It's okay.  He's different.  He has a business mind that is geared towards making profit...He can't make it any worse than the trend we have been seeing in our leadership now.

Ahem... that you saw in Bush.  

We're out of the recession now that Bush and the Republicans put us in.

I'd disagree with this statement. The recession was longer in coming than the Bush administration, and is much more complicated than people make it out to be. Many more factors probably enter into this than one administration of one branch of our government, but most people don't want to acknowledge that, because it takes away their evil enemy. I'm surprised you oversimplified it like this. Was Bush a factor? Of course. And he made it worse, I agree. But he was not even remotely the only factor responsible.

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Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"It's okay.  He's different.  He has a business mind that is geared towards making profit...He can't make it any worse than the trend we have been seeing in our leadership now.

Ahem... that you saw in Bush.  

We're out of the recession now that Bush and the Republicans put us in.

I'd disagree with this statement. The recession was longer in coming than the Bush administration, and is much more complicated than people make it out to be. Many more factors probably enter into this than one administration of one branch of our government, but most people don't want to acknowledge that, because it takes away their evil enemy. I'm surprised you oversimplified it like this. Was Bush a factor? Of course. And he made it worse, I agree. But he was not even remotely the only factor responsible.

Didn't mean to imply he was the only factor. Meant he was more to blame than "our leadership now".

The deficit, a bit of a different story.

The deficit is from Reagan, Bush, and the other Bush, right?

Quote from: "rawrdog822"If Trump were to become President, I would move to Canada.  That's not even a joke, seriously, I will move to Canada.  I will strap moose horns to my head and start singing, "Ohhhh Canada!"

F that. New Zealand baby, here I come!...in about 4 years when my contract with Uncle Sam is up. Canada is too damn cold.

We've had shit fiscal policies for as long as I can remember. Although a former military officer and a believer in having a military that is prepped and strong, we've wasted literally countless funds on ridiculous military spending programs. This wasn't just a republican thing, either. It also wasn't just an executive branch thing, even though every president is the head of the military. But we have to get all fiscal policies clicking to repair the deficit and to get our economy out of the toilet, and that is one job I don't envy anyone.

Trump would do no worse and probably no better than most presidents. But I'd never give the guy the time of day, let alone a vote.

I'd have to know more about Trump's views on religious freedom and women rights in order to decide if I'd prefer him over Palin or not.  But without actually knowing I'd assume he would have to be better than Palin because few are worse than her.

His dictator business approach is a concern though...I don't feel that he'd actually care about the will of the people after elections were over.  Not to mention...do we really want the White House to be decorated all in gold?  

If Ron Paul doesn't run, and win, I'm going to be pissed.

If Trump runs, and wins, I'm moving.

Quote from: "ForTheLoveOfAll"If Ron Paul doesn't run, and win, I'm going to be pissed.

If Trump runs, and wins, I'm moving.

Trump is right about one thing: Ron Paul will never win.

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Quote from: "ForTheLoveOfAll"If Ron Paul doesn't run, and win, I'm going to be pissed.

If Trump runs, and wins, I'm moving.

Trump is right about one thing: Ron Paul will never win.

And that's what saddens me.
The powers that be never want someone who speaks the truth.  

I don't see how a libertarian could be anything but prochoice.

Quote from: "ForTheLoveOfAll"If Ron Paul doesn't run, and win, I'm going to be pissed.

I admire Ron Paul's anti-militarist stance, but many of his other positions I find dubious, to say the least. One of the main things which prevent me from ever considering supporting him is his interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment (http://www.irregulartimes.com/ronpaulseparation.html).  It's just plain wrong.

Quote"In case after case, the Supreme Court has used the infamous 'Separation of Church and State' metaphor to uphold court decisions that allow the federal government to intrude upon and deprive citizens of their religious liberty." [Ron Paul]

Ron Paul further complained in that speech that the government ought not to be blocked from establishing official prayers in schools and at public events, and promoting the Old Testament as the source of American law in courthouses through the exclusive display of the Ten Commandments. In doing so, Ron Paul sided with radical right wing Christian zealots who seek theocracy, like Judge Roy Moore from Alabama.

Ron Paul's legislation, if enacted, would have enabled a two-class system of rights in America, with members of majority religious groups able to establish special rights to enforce their beliefs through the power of government institutions, and others unable to protect their right to not participate in the majority's religious rituals through the constitutionally-guaranteed access to the courts.

Ron Paul can kiss my left-wing big-government arse.  :shake:

Quote from: "terranus"Ron Paul can kiss my left-wing big-government arse.  :shake:

Rand Paul is such a tool.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Going in and out of bankruptcy over and over again is business savvy?

He's not pushing a hot dog cart around NYC, is he?

True, the hot dog guy probably never had to file for bankruptcy or has ever been in the red.