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Texas nationalist group rallies for secession (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/7458701.html)

QuoteAUSTIN â€" The Texas Nationalist Movement marked Texas Independence Day with a rally on Saturday at the Capitol urging Texans to save the state by seceding from the United States.

A small but enthusiastic group of Texans gathered on the steps of the Capitol, as an assortment of massive Texas flags blew above them in the chilly afternoon breeze.

Outrage was spread evenly toward Democrats and Republicans as leaders of the movement expressed their disgust for the growing national debt and the federal government's treatment of Texas.

"Texas can take better care of itself than Washington," said Lauren Savage, vice president of the movement. "We are here to raise interest in the Legislature of the possibility of secession to cure the ills of America."

Members are demanding that state lawmakers introduce a bill that would allow Texans to vote on whether to declare independence.

Fed up with federal mandates, the burden of unsustainable taxes and disregarded votes, members say secession has been a long time coming.

"This is a cake that's been baking for 85 years," said Cary Wise, membership director of the Texas Nationalist Movement. "All this administration has done is light the candles."

Demonstrators said they have had enough of state leaders who are conservative in rhetoric but big government proponents in reality, calling out GOP Gov. Rick Perry as one of the biggest frauds.

"I would love to debate Rick Perry live because we could once and for all show that the guy is a big government fraud who claims to be conservative," said Eric Kirkland, member of the Constitution Party of Texas.

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With acknowledgement to NineOneFour at Rationalskepticism (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/news-politics/texas-nationalist-group-rallies-for-secession-t20240.html#p748997) who first posted the article.

So what do the locals here think? You can have a Queen to if you like, we'll sell you ours  

I think secessionists are retarded and grossly overestimate how many people think there is a want or need to secede from the US.

As an aside to this my wife and I were discussing the USA and she is of the opinion that there could be a split between the North and South if the 'Rabbid Right'  keep going the way they are. I am of the opinion that first and foremost Americans see themselves as American first and everything else comes second and as such there will never be another civil war or civil split.

Eh. While succeeding sounds stupid to me and I doubt the bill will actually pass, if they want to leave, let them leave. I don't think anyone will really miss Texas.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Eh. While succeeding sounds stupid to me and I doubt the bill will actually pass, if they want to leave, let them leave. I don't think anyone will really miss Texas.

What about Squid and I?!!  

And me???  Well at least while I'm still out here anyway!

If it were up to the little town I'm in they would have already seceded and put Bush back in control.  Remember I'm only about 25 miles from one of his favorite BBQ places.  We tried it and hubby can't figure out why anyone would eat there, I can't have anything they fix anyway.

I think I'm going to be happy to leave the political/religious/racial mindset of this area.  I'll miss the land but not the people.....

Well, Oklahoma needs more atheists....

Although the love for soulless speed metal and choirboy high notes might have to be left at the border... ;)

Quote from: "LARA"Well, Oklahoma needs more atheists....

Don't worry, the Texas rebels will make annexing Oklahoma their first goal.

QuoteWhitney wrote:  Don't worry, the Texas rebels will make annexing Oklahoma their first goal.

The tribes here will never give up their federal funding to join with Texas.  The rebels would definitely have a fight if they tried it.

One of my favorite quotes;

“If I owned Hell and Texas I would rent out Texas and live in Hell”
~Philip Henry Sheridan

I used to live in Witchita Falls, TX.  It was a hell hole for sure!  I didn't care much for the Dallas/Ft Worth area either.
I'm all for Texas seceding...
No offense to my TX friends on HAF.

Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"One of my favorite quotes;

“If I owned Hell and Texas I would rent out Texas and live in Hell”
~Philip Henry Sheridan

I used to live in Witchita Falls, TX.  It was a hell hole for sure!  I didn't care much for the Dallas/Ft Worth area either.
I'm all for Texas seceding...
No offense to my TX friends on HAF.

Oh yeah?

QuoteYou may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas!
-Davy Crockett

I hope Texas does secede. Wouldn't bother me at all.

I'm curious.  If your state does secede, would you move to be in the US or stay with your state/new country?

Quote from: "Beachdragon"I'm curious.  If your state does secede, would you move to be in the US or stay with your state/new country?

Being that I don't like to live in war zones (you know the US wouldn't just let a state leave without putting up a fight) I'd get the hell out asap.

and in the case of Texas:  It would shortly become illegal to be anything but fundamentalist christian and blasphemy of any sort (including refusing to pray) would punishable by death.  So yes...run for the hills.

Quote from: "Beachdragon"I'm curious.  If your state does secede, would you move to be in the US or stay with your state/new country?

I'd move back to Seattle.

Dear Texans,

If your state secedes, and you're not cool with leaving the Union, think carefully about where you want to live. Obviously, you're used to living in a wealthy, diverse state that borders on Mexico but also has large and progressive urban areas. You like booming tech industry, you like big agriculture, and you probably like dry heat.

I think you know where you're headed.

Love always, and see you soon,

California

We also like Arnold....Get to the CHOPPA!!

I hope Texas does secede, it would take a massive chunk of the teabaggers and GOP support in general out of elections. Dems aren't that much better but maybe they'll get better once the majority of the country is leaning democratic on the account of one of the biggest conservatives states gone AWOL.

Dude. you made California seem even more awesome. I wanna move out there ASAP, I can't stand this cold city. It's got everything going for it except the shitty weather.

Quote from: "Will"Dear Texans,

If your state secedes, and you're not cool with leaving the Union, think carefully about where you want to live. Obviously, you're used to living in a wealthy, diverse state that borders on Mexico but also has large and progressive urban areas. You like booming tech industry, you like big agriculture, and you probably like dry heat.

I think you know where you're headed.

Love always, and see you soon,

California

If Texas secedes, we'll be putting up with more than just illegals from Mexico...

Quote from: "Squid"I'd move back to Seattle.

Why'd you leave here to go to Texas in the first place?

Quote from: "AnimatedDirt"If Texas secedes, we'll be putting up with more than just illegals from Mexico...

They could rejoin Mexico.

Quotehas large and progressive urban areas. You like booming tech industry, you like big agriculture, and you probably like dry heat.

Yeah going east on i-10 or i-20 will just lead you into bible belt hell, trust me. go west, my friend!

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "Squid"I'd move back to Seattle.

Why'd you leave here to go to Texas in the first place?

I was originally from Texas, lived up in Seattle while I was in the Navy.  Came back here to be close to friends and family.

There are some people in my grandparent's generation who are still pissed about Newfoundland joining Canada in the first place (we joined in 1949). You hear a lot of angsty youth talk about a "Newfoundland Liberation Army" and the "Republic of Newfoundland". There is a separatist party here, but it has next to zero support.

My husband and I often say that we think a really nice country could be made of the east coast of Canada and New England. Ohh, the lighthouse monopoly we could have!
I've never been to Texas, I've never even been close, but anywhere near the bible belt seems pretty scary to me (though I'm sure they do have their charms).

Quote from: "DeterminedJuliet"There are some people in my grandparent's generation who are still pissed about Newfoundland joining Canada in the first place (we joined in 1949). You hear a lot of angsty youth talk about a "Newfoundland Liberation Army" and the "Republic of Newfoundland". There is a separatist party here, but it has next to zero support.

My husband and I often say that we think a really nice country could be made of the east coast of Canada and New England. Ohh, the lighthouse monopoly we could have!
I've never been to Texas, I've never even been close, but anywhere near the bible belt seems pretty scary to me (though I'm sure they do have their charms).

I've been all over the Bible belt.  There's nothing really scary about visiting.  In fact, there are some great places down here to go see as a tourist.  Living here, however, feels a bit like jumping backward in time to the Great Revival of the 19th century.  There's a church on every corner.  There's a Christian under every rock ready to jump out and hand you a pamphlet.  You can't go to even a public hospital for simple gallbladder surgery without nearly everybody praying for your safety and swift recovery.  I just did that.  I did have one atheist nurse, and that was nice.  Stick mainly to the big cities and you'll mainly be fine.  Although I guess it does say something when the biggest tourist attraction in Texas, the Alamo, was a church.

Quote from: "fester30"I've been all over the Bible belt.  There's nothing really scary about visiting.

Yeah, I admit it's my own ignorance.    It'd probably help if we actually got some unbiased news in Canada about the states every now and then.

1860s America... southern slave states secede from the union, claiming the federal government had no right to impose its will on the states.  The Republican president invades the south to keep the union together, believing the federal government was more important than the sum of its parts.  Republicans were the civil rights party.  Southern Democrats were the slave party.

21st century America... some southern states contain elements raising again the desire to secede from the union, saying the federal government has no right to impose its will on the states in the form of nationalized health care, abortion, gay marriage, etc.  The Democratic president is a proponent of the federal government using its power to prevent the individual states from violating the peoples' civil rights, and to maintain a safety net social policy.  Democrats are the civil rights party.  Southern Republicans are at best the party of imposing religious morality upon the people, at worst have a racist inclination toward keeping minorities either down in the country or out of the country.

Republicans and Democrats... changing places after 150 years.

I would hate to leave texas. I love it here. I hope we don't secede.  :'(

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on April 20, 2011, 02:00:43 AM
Yeah, I admit it's my own ignorance.  <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/shakehead2.gif" alt=":shake:" title="shake head" />  It'd probably help if we actually got some unbiased news in Canada about the states every now and then.

There was the Stephen Fry series http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry_in_America
Fifty states in six hours of TV is a bit brief though.

Quote from: Rizuidad on July 21, 2011, 05:41:57 PM
I hope we don't secede.  :'(

the vast majority of Texans don't want to so it isn't going to happen...and if somehow the texas gov decide to go rogue and just secede despite public opinion then I'm glad the Oklahoma border is only an hour or so away...I'm not intersted in the theocracy secessionists would create.

If the recession gets worse and push comes to shove anything is possible. Look at what happened to U.S.S.R.

The U.S.A. empire may have just about had its day.
Throughout history all Empires have eventually fallen.

Quote from: Stevil on July 22, 2011, 08:12:16 AM
If the recession gets worse and push comes to shove anything is possible. Look at what happened to U.S.S.R.

The U.S.A. empire may have just about had its day.
Throughout history all Empires have eventually fallen.

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if there could be a set of cuircumstances under which the Union would unzip?