Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
You'll have to explain yourself. What do you mean by 'forms'? Also, how does it follow that because X believes they get something one way, and Y believes they get something another way, X actually is Y? Atheists don't believe we're given anything by magic. We don't, in fact, believe that anyone IS 'giving us' "forms" or anything else. :)
Edit: I see the last time you posted was November, and I joined well after that, so a warm hello to you!
Quote from: Amicale on February 19, 2012, 06:10:42 AM
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
You'll have to explain yourself. What do you mean by 'forms'? Also, how does it follow that because X believes they get something one way, and Y believes they get something another way, X actually is Y? Atheists don't believe we're given anything by magic. We don't, in fact, believe that anyone IS 'giving us' "forms" or anything else. :)
The only one who's ever given me forms was the Government, and I definitely don't think they're magic.
I'm a Big Rabbitarian and I take much offence at anyone suggesting otherwise.
Why does the moon and planets have big holes in them? Big Rabbit.
Why do comets have tails? Big Rabbit.
Big Rabbit explains all, Christians got nothen.
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
people are people because they cast incongruous blabber throughout history
If you need to label modern western morality, then quasi-stoic is a befitting term, the appropriate modus operandi the paulists adopted since they could not negate it and replace it with the limited appeal of exogenous oppressor judotribalism.
A gene's "afterlife" is not a belief. it is extractable in a test tube from a long dead corpse as physical matter encoding from protein to an organism.
is the image of visual perception in the visual cortex "given" to "us" ?
How insecure and pathetic must we be to desperately assign overseeing agent and sovereign recipient in one stroke?
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us.
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Jonesboy. I see you've created your own idiosyncratic definitions of both Christianity and atheism. Well done. I do wonder whether they have any real utility, however.
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AMFor christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
The first sentence may have some truth value, but I think that as it stands, the second needs to be elaborated upon. Are you up to that?
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
That statement is so nonsensical I don't know of a way to shoot it down without sounding like a condecending ass...
Huh. I learn something new about myself every day. My parents will be so pleased.
Wait, what? XD
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
Isn't this a textbook syllogism? Such as:
People who are mentally disturbed post in this forum
You post in this forum.
Therefore you are mentally disturbed.
Quote from: En_Route on February 19, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
People who are mentally disturbed post in this forum
You post in this forum.
Therefore you are mentally disturbed.
Wait, you mean that
isn't true?
Quote from: Ali on February 19, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
Quote from: En_Route on February 19, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
People who are mentally disturbed post in this forum
You post in this forum.
Therefore you are mentally disturbed.
Wait, you mean that isn't true?
The first sentence is certainly true. ;D
Well, if you're going to say everything's caused by magic, there really isn't anyway to argue against that.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on February 19, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
Well, if you're going to say everything's caused by magic, there really isn't anyway to argue against that.
Penn & Teller may dispute that ;D
Quote from: Tank on February 19, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on February 19, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
Well, if you're going to say everything's caused by magic, there really isn't anyway to argue against that.
Penn & Teller may dispute that ;D
+1! ;)
I love Penn & Teller's Bullshit. I've heard from friends that Teller is apparently very kind and very funny when you meet him in person, too. Bonus! A good friend's mom got several pictures of the two of them together, goofing off and stuff, when she went to a show in Vegas.
I got a big hug from Penn when we saw them in Vegas, and my SIL actually got to go on stage with them for a trick. Pretty cool.
Quote from: Amicale on February 19, 2012, 06:47:36 PM
Quote from: Tank on February 19, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on February 19, 2012, 06:12:54 PM
Well, if you're going to say everything's caused by magic, there really isn't anyway to argue against that.
Penn & Teller may dispute that ;D
+1! ;)
I love Penn & Teller's Bullshit. I've heard from friends that Teller is apparently very kind and very funny when you meet him in person, too. Bonus! A good friend's mom got several pictures of the two of them together, goofing off and stuff, when she went to a show in Vegas.
I just posted in one of the other threads about how Penn tweeted back and forth with me once about his grand-parents being from Newfoundland and a mutual love of tea. Made me happy. I like Bullshit, too, though I don't always agree with their arguments (or some of the "evidence" they use for their arguments)
Penn and Teller are awesome showmen, and hilarious in action.
As far as the OP goes, though, I'm sorry, but what was said sounds nonsensical. If you go by the premise given (which I don't), you could just as easily say that Christians are Muslims, since they both believe that people were created by magic, or that Jews are Hindus for the same reason.
Quote from: statichaos on February 19, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
Penn and Teller are awesome showmen, and hilarious in action.
As far as the OP goes, though, I'm sorry, but what was said sounds nonsensical. If you go by the premise given (which I don't), you could just as easily say that Christians are Muslims, since they both believe that people were created by magic, or that Jews are Hindus for the same reason.
I have a feeling that, for the OP, religion = Xtian, and vice versa.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 19, 2012, 11:00:52 PM
I have a feeling that, for the OP, religion = Xtian, and vice versa.
That would fit.
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
That makes absolutely no sense. What are these "forms" you speak of? What makes you think atheists must believe that these "forms" were always there? And what about forms is specific to christians rather than theists in general?
Quote from: En_Route on February 19, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
Isn't this a textbook syllogism? Such as:
People who are mentally disturbed post in this forum
You post in this forum.
Therefore you are mentally disturbed.
I think it should be:
All people who post on this forum are mentally disturbed
You post on this forum
Therefore, you are mentally disturbed.
Quote from: Ali on February 19, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
my SIL actually got to go on stage with them for a trick. Pretty cool.
Shouldn't this be part of the "Prostitution,legalise or not?" thread?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on February 20, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 19, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
Isn't this a textbook syllogism? Such as:
People who are mentally disturbed post in this forum
You post in this forum.
Therefore you are mentally disturbed.
I think it should be:
All people who post on this forum are mentally disturbed
You post on this forum
Therefore, you are mentally disturbed.
That's no longer a syllogism, but is certainly more factually accurate.
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
How did I manage to miss this bullshit?! >:(
Everyone knows that atheists are really muslims.
Quote from: Asmodean on February 20, 2012, 11:53:42 AM
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
How did I manage to miss this bullshit?! >:(
Everyone knows that atheists are really muslims.
Shit, now I get ALL of the anti-Obama stuff!
Turtles are really fish.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on February 20, 2012, 02:42:06 PM
Turtles are really fish.
Shouldn't that be the other way round?
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Quote from: En_Route on February 20, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Wombats. Wombats are buddhist, yes?
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 20, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Wombats. Wombats are buddhist, yes?
No. Wombats have a unique Gia based spirituality as they live so close to the earth.
Quote from: Tank on February 21, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 20, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Wombats. Wombats are buddhist, yes?
No. Wombats have a unique Gia based spirituality as they live so close to the earth.
Final Fantasy kind of Gaia? :o Schweet!
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: Tank on February 21, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 20, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Wombats. Wombats are buddhist, yes?
No. Wombats have a unique Gia based spirituality as they live so close to the earth.
Final Fantasy kind of Gaia? :o Schweet!
Yes. But it's a secret. Kangaroos follow the same philosophy, but only intermittently. The idea was first thought up by tortoises.
...And just like that, the trollish thread was trolled right back ;D
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 09:18:31 AM
...And just like that, the trollish thread was trolled right back ;D
I love HAF. ;D
Quote from: Tank on February 21, 2012, 09:09:07 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 09:05:40 AM
Quote from: Tank on February 21, 2012, 08:52:53 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on February 21, 2012, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 20, 2012, 11:59:54 PM
Just don't get me started on armadillos.
Wombats. Wombats are buddhist, yes?
No. Wombats have a unique Gia based spirituality as they live so close to the earth.
Final Fantasy kind of Gaia? :o Schweet!
Yes. But it's a secret. Kangaroos follow the same philosophy, but only intermittently. The idea was first thought up by tortoises.
But where does the Shellfish Gene fit into all this?
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 07:15:13 PM
But where does the Shellfish Gene fit into all this?
It gives birth to Shellfiroth, who is evil. And cool. But also evil. But cool.
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Only thigh-highs. Anything with 'pantie control' is definitely evil, but not cool.
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Evil is boring at best, and annoying at worst.
Quote from: Dobermonster on February 22, 2012, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Only thigh-highs. Anything with 'pantie control' is definitely evil, but not cool.
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Quote from: statichaos on February 22, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Evil is boring at best, and annoying at worst.
I'd expect a Dalek to have a better understanding of it than that.
Quote from: statichaos on February 22, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Evil is boring at best, and annoying at worst.
Depends on what you call evil. Some things that religions call evil are actually quite fun.
From Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut.
Quote"God created the heaven and the earth," the old, long-out-of-print science fiction writer went
on. "And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And
the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Satan could have done this herself, but she
thought it was stupid, action for the sake of action. What was the point? She didn't say anything
at first.
"But Satan began to worry about God when He said, 'Let there be light,' and there was light.
She had to wonder, 'What in heck does He think He's doing? How far does He intend to go, and
does He expect me to help Him take care of all this crazy stuff?'
"And then the shit really hit the fan. God made man and woman, beautiful little miniatures of
Him and her, and turned them loose to see what might become of them. The Garden of Eden,"
said Trout, "might be considered the prototype for the Colosseum and the Roman Games."
"Satan," he said, "couldn't undo anything God had done. She could at least try to make
existence for His little toys less painful. She could see what He couldn't: To be alive was to be
either bored or scared stiff. So she filled an apple with all sorts of ideas that might at least relieve
the boredom, such as rules for games with cards and dice, and how to fuck, and recipes for beer
and wine and whiskey, and pictures of different plants that were smokable, and so on. And
instructions on how to make music and sing and dance real crazy, real sexy. And how to spout
blasphemy when they stubbed their toes.
"Satan had a serpent give Eve the apple. Eve took a bite and handed it to Adam. He took a bite,
and then they fucked."
"I grant you," said Trout, "that some of the ideas in the apple had catastrophic side effects for a
minority of those who tried them." Let it be noted here that Trout himself was not an alcoholic, a
junkie, a gambler, or a sex fiend. He just wrote.
"All Satan wanted to do was help, and she did in many cases," he concluded. "And her record
for promoting nostrutms with occasionally dreadful side effects is no worse than that of the most
reputable pharmaceutical houses of the present day."
Quote from: Dobermonster on February 22, 2012, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Only thigh-highs. Anything with 'pantie control' is definitely evil, but not cool.
Any form of control in that region is to be deplored.
Triangles, they can do all manner of once considered impossible things.
I tried to keep 'em quiet but they wouldn't listen.
Quote from: Ali on February 22, 2012, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: statichaos on February 22, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Evil is boring at best, and annoying at worst.
Depends on what you call evil. Some things that religions call evil are actually quite fun.
I agree. However, I'm talking about what I call evil, not what religions call evil.
Quote from: Ali on February 22, 2012, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: statichaos on February 22, 2012, 02:20:36 AM
Quote from: En_Route on February 21, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
Evil is cool. As are stockings.
Evil is boring at best, and annoying at worst.
Depends on what you call evil. Some things that religions call evil are actually quite fun.
From Timequake by Kurt Vonnegut.
*snip for brevity*
I love Vonnegut. ;D Thanks for sharing that one.
And yes, in my own life I've discovered that according to most religious people/religious belief systems, my very life itself is sinful, immoral, and evil in more ways than one. Yet, oddly, there are parts of it I wouldn't trade for the world. Parts I consider very fun. Downright precious to me, even. :) One of them is currently sitting slumped over sideways on the couch, napping with her barbie doll and my cat.
Quote from: Amicale on February 22, 2012, 06:33:03 PM
And yes, in my own life I've discovered that according to most religious people/religious belief systems, my very life itself is sinful, immoral, and evil in more ways than one. Yet, oddly, there are parts of it I wouldn't trade for the world. Parts I consider very fun. Downright precious to me, even. :)
Same here. Our concepts of good and evil exist only within the mind (even for those who follow a particular religious path, who are doing their best to interpret what they have learned from the texts and teachings), and the best that we can do is to follow them with reason, compassion, and common sense. Mormons would consider my alcohol intake to be evil, and yet I only consider it to be so if it has a negative impact on others. Catholics (at least those in the religious hierarchy, if not the laity) consider my use of birth control to be evil, and yet I consider it to be a good considering that it allows intimacy between me and my wife without danger of conceiving a child that we couldn't possibly care for in our current financial circumstances. Some consider my marijuana use to be evil, but it relieves symptoms that negatively affect my quality of life.
As I don't have sacred scriptures to fall back on--though I do find some comfort and inspiration in passages from many of them--I have to take what I consider to be good and evil on a case by case basis. I can't even lay claim to a consistent morality, only an intuitive insight tempered by what I see as reason and practicality. I can say that it's seemed to work so far.
Quote from: Jonesboy on February 19, 2012, 04:13:10 AM
Atheists are christians because both believe that forms are given to us. For christians, forms are given magically. For atheists forms are there all along - just like magic..
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You've got it all wrong. All atheists, Christians, Muslims and everybody else are actually Flying Spaghetti Monsterists because everybody eats spaghetti. Spaghetti is magic because I say so with religious authority, thereofre I can basically twist the meaning of anything to suit anything I want it to.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 23, 2012, 02:37:27 AM
You've got it all wrong. All atheists, Christians, Muslims and everybody else are actually Flying Spaghetti Monsterists because everybody eats spaghetti. Spaghetti is magic because I say so with religious authority, thereofre I can basically twist the meaning of anything to suit anything I want it to.
Works for me. Ramen!
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 23, 2012, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 23, 2012, 02:37:27 AM
You've got it all wrong. All atheists, Christians, Muslims and everybody else are actually Flying Spaghetti Monsterists because everybody eats spaghetti. Spaghetti is magic because I say so with religious authority, thereofre I can basically twist the meaning of anything to suit anything I want it to.
Works for me. Ramen!
Doubtless all these kitchen utensils popping all over HAF have something to do with it. To the trained eye it would be quite obvious that we're all in fact closeted FSMists and not Christians. So there!
;D
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 24, 2012, 02:15:05 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on February 23, 2012, 03:48:19 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 23, 2012, 02:37:27 AM
You've got it all wrong. All atheists, Christians, Muslims and everybody else are actually Flying Spaghetti Monsterists because everybody eats spaghetti. Spaghetti is magic because I say so with religious authority, thereofre I can basically twist the meaning of anything to suit anything I want it to.
Works for me. Ramen!
Doubtless all these kitchen utensils popping all over HAF have something to do with it. To the trained eye it would be quite obvious that we're all in fact closeted FSMists and not Christians. So there!
;D
If I had to pick a religious outlook, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is indeed a tasty deity. Ceiling Cat is also purrrfect, in his own way. In the end, I think Frisbeeterianism has its advantages too -- it's the belief that when you die, your soul gets stuck up on a roof. :D
Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 02:17:36 AM
Frisbeeterianism has its advantages too -- it's the belief that when you die, your soul gets stuck up on a roof. :D
LOL :D
And if it goes over your neighbours wall and gets stuck somewhere on his roof or lawn, it would make for a good Frisbeeterianism Good Samaritan story.
I almost feel inspired to write some Frisbee scripture. :P
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 24, 2012, 02:24:47 AM
Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 02:17:36 AM
Frisbeeterianism has its advantages too -- it's the belief that when you die, your soul gets stuck up on a roof. :D
LOL :D
And if it goes over your neighbours wall and gets stuck somewhere on his roof or lawn, it would make for a good Frisbeeterianism Good Samaritan story.
I almost feel inspired to write some Frisbee scripture. :P
O Great and Mighty Frisbee in the sky
To you we throw our frisbees high
Please hear our cry, be not aloof
And guide our frisbees to the roof.
Wheeeee! (a good substitute for amen)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 24, 2012, 02:24:47 AM
Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 02:17:36 AM
Frisbeeterianism has its advantages too -- it's the belief that when you die, your soul gets stuck up on a roof. :D
LOL :D
And if it goes over your neighbours wall and gets stuck somewhere on his roof or lawn, it would make for a good Frisbeeterianism Good Samaritan story.
I almost feel inspired to write some Frisbee scripture. :P
Hmmm interesting.
So the bull dog preventing you being recovered is obviously a suburban manifestation of the archetypal Cerberus.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on February 24, 2012, 03:11:15 AM
Hmmm interesting.
So the bull dog preventing you being recovered is obviously a suburban manifestation of the archetypal Cerberus.
Yes, though in my case it's three dogs than one three headed dog, that can act upon three different decisions at the same time, try beating that. :o
Cerberus would be a push-over in a the Frisbee-worship ritual.
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Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
O Great and Mighty Frisbee in the sky
To you we throw our frisbees high
Please hear our cry, be not aloof
And guide our frisbees to the roof.
Wheeeee! (a good substitute for amen)
That's really good :P Wheeeee!
all spaghetti are actually noodles
I know I will become chinese
I like Rice pasta, meself. Unfortunately, the rice is to the FSM what Satan is to the Christ. An ANTI-PASTA... :o
Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
O Great and Mighty Frisbee in the sky
To you we throw our frisbees high
Please hear our cry, be not aloof
And guide our frisbees to the roof.
Wheeeee! (a good substitute for amen)
This is the best thing ever.
Bah. Too contemporary.
Saucer dome, whome none own,
be praised of matronly reknown.
Appraise this soul away to home,
to lay and dance upon a land
that sizzles cats upon tin cans.
To each their own.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on March 23, 2012, 09:54:35 PM
Quote from: Amicale on February 24, 2012, 03:03:46 AM
O Great and Mighty Frisbee in the sky
To you we throw our frisbees high
Please hear our cry, be not aloof
And guide our frisbees to the roof.
Wheeeee! (a good substitute for amen)
This is the best thing ever.
Thank you. ;D Of course, there's no way I could have written that on my own. I'm not smart enough for that. No, instead, the Great and Mighty Frisbee in the sky spoke to my soul, and I KNEW it was him because my frisbee started vibrating, so I said "praise wind currents, he hath spoken!" and then hurriedly penned the missive above. All glory and correct frisbee tossing honours go to him.
Quote from: The Semaestro on March 23, 2012, 09:32:28 PM
I like Rice pasta, meself. Unfortunately, the rice is to the FSM what Satan is to the Christ. An ANTI-PASTA... :o
*Confused*
I thought Anti-Pasta was that thing with sausages and cheese and olives..... ;D
I thought that was anti-pasto?
Quote from: The Semaestro on April 04, 2012, 08:22:59 PM
I thought that was anti-pasto?
I was being silly. I do that a lot. ;)
Quote from: Ali on April 04, 2012, 08:41:14 PM
Quote from: The Semaestro on April 04, 2012, 08:22:59 PM
I thought that was anti-pasto?
I was being silly. I do that a lot. ;)
And I look forward to every time you do it. ;D