Who knew? Old YHVH apparently has a taste for some of that almight lambsbread, mon. No doubt the priests were happy to pass it on the left hand side, but I think officially it would have been a burnt offering. :toke:
"A biblical-era Israeli shrine shows signs of the earliest ritual use of marijuana" |
ScienceNews (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/bible-era-israel-shrine-earliest-ritual-use-marijuana)
QuoteA limestone altar from an Iron Age shrine in Israel contains remnants of the world's earliest known instance of burning cannabis plants in a ritual ceremony, a new study finds.
This altar, along with a second altar on which frankincense was burned, stood at the entrance to a room where religious rites were presumably held inside a fortress of the biblical kingdom of Judah. Previous analyses of recovered pottery and documented historical events at the site indicate that the shrine was used from roughly 760 B.C. to 715 B.C.
Excavations at Israel's Tel Arad site in the 1960s uncovered the shrine amid the ruins of two fortress cities, one built atop the other, that date from the ninth century B.C. to the early sixth century B.C. Arad, about 45 kilometers west of the Dead Sea, guarded Judah's southern border.
[. . .]
Cannabis on the smaller of the two altars had been mixed with animal dung so it could be burned at a low temperature, likely allowing ritual specialists to inhale the plant's mind-altering fumes, the researchers report online May 29 in Tel Aviv, a journal published by Tel Aviv University's Institute of Archaeology. This cannabis sample contained enough of the plant's psychoactive compound THC to have induced an altered state of consciousness by breathing in its fumes.
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Quote from: Recusant on June 13, 2020, 05:18:33 AM
Who knew? Old YHVH apparently has a taste for some of that almight lambsbread, mon. No doubt the priests were happy to pass it on the left hand side, but I think officially it would have been a burnt offering. :toke:
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These guys burned the shit, huh?
as someone who has personally met god while on drugs long ago, i approve ofthis message
:snicker1:
I've never smoked marijuana before. But when I was a child and sickly I often had some medicine with codeine. I don't know if it was that or the high fevers I ran or maybe even a combination but I had some scary hallucinations. I can't say that I've ever seen a deity though.
Don't know about the mixing it with animal dung before burning. I love the smell of pot, not sure about pot mixed with poo, though.
Well, when I was younger, somewhere between 25-30, I tried some marijuana, xtc and even cocaine in moderation. Never had a bad experience but I also have never seen a deity either. In 1992 I moved from the Netherlands to France and I haven't touch that stuff ever since. Nowadays, I occasionally drink some beer, wine, whisky or rum.
Quote from: Anne D. on June 13, 2020, 07:41:18 PM
Don't know about the mixing it with animal dung before burning. I love the smell of pot, not sure about pot mixed with poo, though.
Dried dung burns OK (not a huge amount of smoke), and doesn't have an obnoxious smell, in my opinion. It's just mostly digested foliage, after all.
I never met a god while on weed. No hallucinations either. It does get my creative juices going, a lot. I enjoy that. Very much. :grin:
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My brain on weed, on the left, in HD and maybe even 4-D. I see time, length, width, and depth.
Well, actually, time changes, a lot. :snicker:
On the right, my brain without weed. It's still nice, but knowing that it could be better, why not? :shrug:
:notsure: I never tried weed before. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. :grin:
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 12:50:38 AM
:notsure: I never tried weed before. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. :grin:
There's nothing wrong with you. :lol:
It's OK if you haven't tried it, yet. I'm like
Tom62, I tried it for the 1st time in my 30's.
Quote from: Randy on June 13, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
:snicker1:
I've never smoked marijuana before. But when I was a child and sickly I often had some medicine with codeine. I don't know if it was that or the high fevers I ran or maybe even a combination but I had some scary hallucinations. I can't say that I've ever seen a deity though.
Has anyone talked to you about medical cannabis? I don't know anything about it, do you? :eyebrow:
Quote from: Magdalena on June 14, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 12:50:38 AM
:notsure: I never tried weed before. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. :grin:
There's nothing wrong with you. :lol:
It's OK if you haven't tried it, yet. I'm like Tom62, I tried it for the 1st time in my 30's.
:whew: :grin:
I want to see new and beautiful things, such as a rectangular cat which farts rainbows (:nyancat: for the uninitiated), but perhaps cannabis is not the go-to drug for this. :P
Not to keen on seeing a deity though. I think that would be a bad trip.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 01:06:34 AM
Quote from: Magdalena on June 14, 2020, 12:57:25 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 12:50:38 AM
:notsure: I never tried weed before. Maybe that's what's wrong with me. :grin:
There's nothing wrong with you. :lol:
It's OK if you haven't tried it, yet. I'm like Tom62, I tried it for the 1st time in my 30's.
:whew: :grin:
I want to see new and beautiful things, such as a rectangular cat which farts rainbows (:nyancat:
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:rofl:
So do I.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 01:06:34 AM
Not to keen on seeing a deity though. I think that would be a bad trip.
That would be a bad trip. :notsure:
I just know that being high with someone you love is the best! You feel soooooo alive.
:grin:
Quote from: Magdalena on June 14, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
I just know that being high with someone you love is the best! You feel soooooo alive.
:grin:
:notes:
Quote from: Magdalena on June 14, 2020, 01:01:31 AM
Quote from: Randy on June 13, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
:snicker1:
I've never smoked marijuana before. But when I was a child and sickly I often had some medicine with codeine. I don't know if it was that or the high fevers I ran or maybe even a combination but I had some scary hallucinations. I can't say that I've ever seen a deity though.
Has anyone talked to you about medical cannabis? I don't know anything about it, do you? :eyebrow:
A friend mentioned it but no one else. It might alleviate some symptoms later on down the road from what I've read about it. Also, the body gets used to it I think. I may be misremembering that part.
My palliative care team might recommend it sometime in the future when I'm on pain management. I don't know if I'll be experiencing nausea when I'm off of chemo altogether. From what I've read it seems to be a last resort. Also, I don't know if it is legal in Georgia.
Quote from: Randy on June 14, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
A friend mentioned it but no one else. It might alleviate some symptoms later on down the road from what I've read about it. Also, the body gets used to it I think. I may be misremembering that part.
:notsure: I'm not sure...I don't think cannabis by itself causes neuroadaptation and therefore tolerance, but don't take my word for it. I've seen conflicting statements.
WARNING! Nerd mode ON!
In our brains we have receptors to which endocannabionoids (and cannabis) bind. Endocannabinoids are fatty molecules which are important in regulatory mechanisms. Neurotransmitters go in one direction, endocannabinoids go in the opposite direction as if to tell the neuron releasing neurotransmitters
nah uh :fingerwag: and so act as "brakes" to neuronal activity. What is neuroadaptation? Neuroadaptation is when the density of these receptors is changed due to the amount of stuff (such as some psychoactive drugs) is present in high amounts, altering neuronal activity and requiring more and more of the drug to get the same result.
QuoteMy palliative care team might recommend it sometime in the future when I'm on pain management. I don't know if I'll be experiencing nausea when I'm off of chemo altogether. From what I've read it seems to be a last resort. Also, I don't know if it is legal in Georgia.
Might be worth checking out.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: Randy on June 14, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
A friend mentioned it but no one else. It might alleviate some symptoms later on down the road from what I've read about it. Also, the body gets used to it I think. I may be misremembering that part.
:notsure: I'm not sure...I don't think cannabis by itself causes neuroadaptation and therefore tolerance, but don't take my word for it. I've seen conflicting statements.
WARNING! Nerd mode ON!
In our brains we have receptors to which endocannabionoids (and cannabis) bind. Endocannabinoids are fatty molecules which are important in regulatory mechanisms. Neurotransmitters go in one direction, endocannabinoids go in the opposite direction as if to tell the neuron releasing neurotransmitters nah uh :fingerwag: and so act as "brakes" to neuronal activity. What is neuroadaptation? Neuroadaptation is when the density of these receptors is changed due to the amount of stuff (such as some psychoactive drugs) is present in high amounts, altering neuronal activity and requiring more and more of the drug to get the same result.
QuoteMy palliative care team might recommend it sometime in the future when I'm on pain management. I don't know if I'll be experiencing nausea when I'm off of chemo altogether. From what I've read it seems to be a last resort. Also, I don't know if it is legal in Georgia.
Might be worth checking out.
It may be a while hopefully. I'm not in any pain and I don't take painkillers. A side note; I cracked three ribs back in December and never noticed. The parts that were healing showed up on an x-ray when they were looking for pneumonia. So for all I know I should be in pain.
I hope to avoid anything that makes me sleepy as I already sleep too much. When the time comes I'll talk to my doctor and nurse practitioner about it. Hopefully that will be a little ways off.
I watched my father die of cancer and he was in pain despite the painkillers. I think he was on morphine but I'm not sure about anything else. Anyway, I don't want to end up like that. Cannabis wasn't an option back then.
😂👍🏼
Quote from: Randy on June 15, 2020, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 14, 2020, 09:34:45 PM
Quote from: Randy on June 14, 2020, 03:05:49 PM
A friend mentioned it but no one else. It might alleviate some symptoms later on down the road from what I've read about it. Also, the body gets used to it I think. I may be misremembering that part.
:notsure: I'm not sure...I don't think cannabis by itself causes neuroadaptation and therefore tolerance, but don't take my word for it. I've seen conflicting statements.
WARNING! Nerd mode ON!
In our brains we have receptors to which endocannabionoids (and cannabis) bind. Endocannabinoids are fatty molecules which are important in regulatory mechanisms. Neurotransmitters go in one direction, endocannabinoids go in the opposite direction as if to tell the neuron releasing neurotransmitters nah uh :fingerwag: and so act as "brakes" to neuronal activity. What is neuroadaptation? Neuroadaptation is when the density of these receptors is changed due to the amount of stuff (such as some psychoactive drugs) is present in high amounts, altering neuronal activity and requiring more and more of the drug to get the same result.
QuoteMy palliative care team might recommend it sometime in the future when I'm on pain management. I don't know if I'll be experiencing nausea when I'm off of chemo altogether. From what I've read it seems to be a last resort. Also, I don't know if it is legal in Georgia.
Might be worth checking out.
It may be a while hopefully. I'm not in any pain and I don't take painkillers. A side note; I cracked three ribs back in December and never noticed. The parts that were healing showed up on an x-ray when they were looking for pneumonia. So for all I know I should be in pain.
I hope to avoid anything that makes me sleepy as I already sleep too much. When the time comes I'll talk to my doctor and nurse practitioner about it. Hopefully, that will be a little ways off.
I watched my father die of cancer and he was in pain despite the painkillers. I think he was on morphine but I'm not sure about anything else. Anyway, I don't want to end up like that. Cannabis wasn't an option back then.
You said that it may be a while before you need it, let's keep it that way, yes? :smilenod:
Hopefully, or miraculously, you won't need it at all. If you do, I really hope it's available for you.
I don't use it for pain, but if my stomach is upset, and I use it, I feel better. It improves my appetite, relaxes me, etc. I guess that's what they call,
:airquotes: recreational :airquotes: use.
:grin:
Quote from: Vivacious on June 15, 2020, 12:23:05 AM
😂👍🏼
Oh...Hello,
Vivacious.
I don't think we've met. :)
I never saw God on pot, from the first time I smoked it over 50 years ago. If I had seen God on pot, I probably would have 1) gotten very paranoid, and 2) eaten Him. Paranoia and munchies are occupational hazards of the practice. My most memorable experiences with God were during the LSD years.
i d3test marijuana. it simply doesnt work with my brain. i get 100 percent inarticulate, paranoid, and asocial. just the way im wired.
but vegetable alkaloids work with me very well, so i stay away from them these dayz.
I'm thinking the alter site would be more-so a Cananite doing. Altho 700 BC Hebrews were in that area. But they had highly structured religious beliefs that didn't allow deviation. But, I don't know for sure if Hebrew religion incorporated drugs of any type in to their religion. There's no allowance for it in the laws of Moses. If there was an allowance for it at any time, it would have remained to this time. It's not likely they would allow dung to be any part of their religion as I understand it. Dung would be a contaminant. :)
That all might be relevant, if it could be shown that the Bible is an unerringly accurate historical document.
Archaeological evidence on one hand, religious writings of vague date and provenance on the other. I know which I'd consider more reliable evidence of what was going on.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on June 15, 2020, 07:53:23 PM
Paranoia and munchies are occupational hazards of the practice.
Oh boy, I hope I never have to experience either of those on the medical stuff, assuming I ever get on it.
Quote from: Recusant on June 15, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
That all might be relevant, if it could be shown that the Bible is an unerringly accurate historical document.
Archaeological evidence on one hand, religious writings of vague date and provenance on the other. I know which I'd consider more reliable evidence of what was going on.
I wasn't going by the bible, I looked up a bit of history in general. The finding (I'm sure there's others) are that the Hebrews entered Cannanite lands about 1200 BC. It seemed odd to me that a Hebrew with strict dietary law would be using drugs, and also Hebrew law would have prohibited (even today maybe) the building of structures contrary to their religion. The structure shown would be a monument to a false religion to them. I don't think they allowed any outland shrines. As much as I can tell the only religious structures allowed were the temple at Jerusalem and the tent they kept with them in the desert. I'm thinking it's more likely the shrine may have been built by another religion as foreigners were allowed to live in in the territory. :)
Quote from: Old Seer on June 16, 2020, 12:29:14 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 15, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
That all might be relevant, if it could be shown that the Bible is an unerringly accurate historical document.
Archaeological evidence on one hand, religious writings of vague date and provenance on the other. I know which I'd consider more reliable evidence of what was going on.
I wasn't going by the bible, I looked up a bit of history in general. The finding (I'm sure there's others) are that the Hebrews entered Cannanite lands about 1200 BC. It seemed odd to me that a Hebrew with strict dietary law would be using drugs, and also Hebrew law would have prohibited (even today maybe) the building of structures contrary to their religion. The structure shown would be a monument to a false religion to them. I don't think they allowed any outland shrines. As much as I can tell the only religious structures allowed were the temple at Jerusalem and the tent they kept with them in the desert. I'm thinking it's more likely the shrine may have been built by another religion as foreigners were allowed to live in in the territory. :)
What gives you the idea that there was anything "outlaw" about this temple, and the two altars? What specifically would be "a monument to a false religion"? That doesn't make any sense to me. The archaeologists have said that it was a temple dedicated to the Hebrew god YHVH. No indication that there was any other god being paid honour there.
Do you have a source that tells us otherwise?
Perhaps you could point me to the section in the dietary laws in which cannabis is prohibited.
Frankincense is a well known offering, and was used in temples all across Eurasia. It was a valuable trade commodity. I don't know if you've ever burned incense like frankincense, but it doesn't actually burn on its own if it's being done properly. Ideally you use a clean smouldering base substance. Charcoal or dried dung will do nicely.
Cannabis also has been valued and used for millennia.
I think you've completely mistaken what this evidence indicates. As I mentioned previously, a 21st century American may think that there's something "unclean" about burning dung. It isn't necessarily the case that a Bronze age herder thinks the same thing. In fact we know that dung has been used by people for this purpose for millennia.
What we see here, leaving aside the gratuitous cultural colouring, is two altars. On one, the people offered up frankincense, on the other they offered up cannabis.
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
I think you've completely mistaken what this evidence indicates. As I mentioned previously, you, a 21st century American, may think that there's something "unclean" about burning dung. It isn't necessarily the case that a Bronze age herder thinks the same thing. In fact we know that dung has been used by people for this purpose for millennia.
Didn't some medieval folks make the walls of their homes with animal dung? I think some peoples living in "primitive societies" still do that today...
Apparently that makes some fine cement.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 16, 2020, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
I think you've completely mistaken what this evidence indicates. As I mentioned previously, you, a 21st century American, may think that there's something "unclean" about burning dung. It isn't necessarily the case that a Bronze age herder thinks the same thing. In fact we know that dung has been used by people for this purpose for millennia.
Didn't some medieval folks make the walls of their homes with animal dung? I think some peoples living in "primitive societies" still do that today...
Apparently that makes some fine cement.
Yes, it's a component of the classic "daub" in wattle and daub (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub) construction.
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 01:32:58 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on June 16, 2020, 01:26:28 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
I think you've completely mistaken what this evidence indicates. As I mentioned previously, you, a 21st century American, may think that there's something "unclean" about burning dung. It isn't necessarily the case that a Bronze age herder thinks the same thing. In fact we know that dung has been used by people for this purpose for millennia.
Didn't some medieval folks make the walls of their homes with animal dung? I think some peoples living in "primitive societies" still do that today...
Apparently that makes some fine cement.
Yes, it's a component of the classic "daub" in wattle and daub (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub) construction.
That's it. ;D
animal shit haz been part of my life for as long as i can remember. as a kid we used to throw cow chips before frisbees were invented. a little older and we used to play king of the mountain in the pilez of horse manure-- the dry side-- just sawdust there.
later on i would hunt psilicybin mushrooms in the cow pies.
az a beekeeper i would burn cow chips in the zmoker because it smelled zso nice.
lots of shit in my life. cats, dogs, chickens; turkeys, goats, donkeys, cows. now possums and raccoons. even now without indoor plumbing we use sawdust bucketz for poop in cold weather. when i move the outhouse well have a sunny place to go.
shit is messy, but it isnt dirty or disgusting. its just shit.
Back some 17 years or so when I was a teen I lived on my fathers farm. Well, it wasn't big enough to be a farm but it was a rural property. He would pay me and my siblings 5 cents for every small bag of dried shit we filled (cow poop). I don't recall it smelling awful, it had a unique scent but it wasn't what you would expect from a googly eyed poo pie. I mean...dried manure. :shifty:
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
Quote from: Old Seer on June 16, 2020, 12:29:14 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 15, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
That all might be relevant, if it could be shown that the Bible is an unerringly accurate historical document.
Archaeological evidence on one hand, religious writings of vague date and provenance on the other. I know which I'd consider more reliable evidence of what was going on.
I wasn't going by the bible, I looked up a bit of history in general. The finding (I'm sure there's others) are that the Hebrews entered Cannanite lands about 1200 BC. It seemed odd to me that a Hebrew with strict dietary law would be using drugs, and also Hebrew law would have prohibited (even today maybe) the building of structures contrary to their religion. The structure shown would be a monument to a false religion to them. I don't think they allowed any outland shrines. As much as I can tell the only religious structures allowed were the temple at Jerusalem and the tent they kept with them in the desert. I'm thinking it's more likely the shrine may have been built by another religion as foreigners were allowed to live in in the territory. :)
What gives you the idea that there was anything "outlaw" about this temple, and the two altars? What specifically would be "a monument to a false religion"? That doesn't make any sense to me. The archaeologists have said that it was a temple dedicated to the Hebrew god YHVH. No indication that there was any other god being paid honour there.
Do you have a source that tells us otherwise?
Perhaps you could point me to the section in the dietary laws in which cannabis is prohibited.
Frankincense is a well known offering, and was used in temples all across Eurasia. It was a valuable trade commodity. I don't know if you've ever burned incense like frankincense, but it doesn't actually burn on its own if it's being done properly. Ideally you use a clean smouldering base substance. Charcoal or dried dung will do nicely.
Cannabis also has been valued and used for millennia.
I think you've completely mistaken what this evidence indicates. As I mentioned previously, a 21st century American may think that there's something "unclean" about burning dung. It isn't necessarily the case that a Bronze age herder thinks the same thing. In fact we know that dung has been used by people for this purpose for millennia.
What we see here, leaving aside the gratuitous cultural colouring, is two altars. On one, the people offered up frankincense, on the other they offered up cannabis.
I merely had a suspicion that it may be a shrine of another religion. If It's Hebrew that's OK, I'm not interested to a point of exactitude or expressing anything highly scientific. I have incense here from my own pine trees for example. I don't use it, my oldest daughter does. The use of dung seemed odd to me for Hebrews that had strict purity laws etc. They have clean things and unclean things. If they have clean manure- OK.
Quote from: Old Seer on June 16, 2020, 03:57:13 AM
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I merely had a suspicion that it may be a shrine of another religion. If It's Hebrew that's OK, I'm not interested to a point of exactitude or expressing anything highly scientific. I have incense here from my own pine trees for example. I don't use it, my oldest daughter does. The use of dung seemed odd to me for Hebrews that had strict purity laws etc. They have clean things and unclean things. If they have clean manure- OK.
Interesting. Like you, I really had no idea what the Biblical Hebrew opinion on using dried dung as fuel was. One of us assumed they'd find it "unclean" and the other assumed they'd have no problem with it. Only one thing for a person like me to do in such a situation, and that's to try to learn things.
In the source cited below, there is some indication that dung was considered something to be collected and removed. Associated with this idea is the use in the Hebrew holy books of "dung" to identify something as detritus ("Dung was frequently used figuratively to express the idea . . . of worthlessness, especially a perishable article for which no one cares . . . as an expression of disgust [&] rebuke" [See entry from the
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia at the link below].)
So the writings assign some negative qualities to dung. However, we also learn that, at least in the book of Ezekiel, dung is not considered an unclean fuel. In fact, in the passage cited (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+4%3A12-15&version=NIV), YHVH gives cow dung to the people so that they no longer have to use human dung to bake their barley cakes (which apparently
is unclean).
"Dung" |
BibleHub (https://biblehub.com/topical/d/dung.htm)
QuoteSmith's Bible Dictionary
The uses of dung were two-fold --as manure and as fuel. The manure consisted either of straw steeped in liquid manure, (Isaiah 25:10) or the sweepings, (Isaiah 5:25) of the streets and roads, which were carefully removed from about the houses, and collected in heaps outside the walls of the towns at fixed spots --hence the dung-gate at Jerusalem --and thence removed in due course to the fields. The difficulty of procuring fuel in Syria, Arabia and Egypt has made dung in all ages valuable as a substitute. It was probably used for heating ovens and for baking cakes, (Ezra 4:12,15 [sic -- the actual citation is Ezekiel 4:12-15]) the equable heat which it produced adapting it pecularily for the latter operation. Cow's and camels dung is still used for a similar purpose by the Bedouins.
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International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Dung was also used as a fuel. Ezekiel 4:12, 15 will be understood when it is known that the dung of animals is a common fuel throughout Palestine and Syria, where other fuel is scarce. During the summer, villagers gather the manure of their cattle, horses or camels, mix it with straw, make it into cakes and dry it for use as fuel for cooking, especially in the winter when wood or charcoal or straw are not procurable. It burns slowly like peat and meets the needs of the kitchen. In Mesopotamia the writer saw it being used with forced draft to fire a steam boiler. There was no idea of uncleanness in Ezekiel's mind, associated with the use of animal dung as fuel (Ezekiel 4:15).
Entries from other Bible dictionaries may be found at the link.
Apropos of this thread, here we are talking about the
good shit. :lol:
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 04:19:38 AM
Quote from: Old Seer on June 16, 2020, 03:57:13 AM
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
I merely had a suspicion that it may be a shrine of another religion. If It's Hebrew that's OK, I'm not interested to a point of exactitude or expressing anything highly scientific. I have incense here from my own pine trees for example. I don't use it, my oldest daughter does. The use of dung seemed odd to me for Hebrews that had strict purity laws etc. They have clean things and unclean things. If they have clean manure- OK.
Interesting. Like you, I really had no idea what the Biblical Hebrew opinion on using dried dung as fuel was. One of us assumed they'd find it "unclean" and the other assumed they'd have no problem with it. Only one thing for a person like me to do in such a situation, and that's to try to learn things.
In the source cited below, there is some indication that dung was considered something to be collected and removed. Associated with this idea is the use in the Hebrew holy books of "dung" to identify something as detritus ("Dung was frequently used figuratively to express the idea . . . of worthlessness, especially a perishable article for which no one cares . . . as an expression of disgust [&] rebuke" [See entry from the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia at the link below]).
So the writings assign some negative qualities to dung. However, we also learn that, at least in the book of Ezekiel, dung is not considered an unclean fuel. In fact, in the passage cited (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+4%3A12-15&version=NIV), YHVH gives cow dung to the people so that they no longer have to use human dung to bake their barley cakes (which apparently is unclean).
"Dung" | BibleHub (https://biblehub.com/topical/d/dung.htm)
QuoteSmith's Bible Dictionary
The uses of dung were two-fold --as manure and as fuel. The manure consisted either of straw steeped in liquid manure, (Isaiah 25:10) or the sweepings, (Isaiah 5:25) of the streets and roads, which were carefully removed from about the houses, and collected in heaps outside the walls of the towns at fixed spots --hence the dung-gate at Jerusalem --and thence removed in due course to the fields. The difficulty of procuring fuel in Syria, Arabia and Egypt has made dung in all ages valuable as a substitute. It was probably used for heating ovens and for baking cakes, (Ezra 4:12,15 [sic -- the actual citation is Ezekiel 4:12-15]) the equable heat which it produced adapting it pecularily for the latter operation. Cow's and camels dung is still used for a similar purpose by the Bedouins.
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International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Dung was also used as a fuel. Ezekiel 4:12, 15 will be understood when it is known that the dung of animals is a common fuel throughout Palestine and Syria, where other fuel is scarce. During the summer, villagers gather the manure of their cattle, horses or camels, mix it with straw, make it into cakes and dry it for use as fuel for cooking, especially in the winter when wood or charcoal or straw are not procurable. It burns slowly like peat and meets the needs of the kitchen. In Mesopotamia the writer saw it being used with forced draft to fire a steam boiler. There was no idea of uncleanness in Ezekiel's mind, associated with the use of animal dung as fuel (Ezekiel 4:15).
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Apropos of this thread, here we are talking about the good shit. :lol:
Holy Kow, thank you.
The American pioneers crossing the plains used buffalo chips for fuel. There's an African tribe that sleeps in cow dung to fend off mosquitoes. Using manure for anything didn't seem Jewish to me. Anthrax is a cattle disease that can be acquired from manure, but has to be worked in a lab to become deadly. So, I learned some things today. :)
human shit was dirty
...11You are also to measure out a sixth of a hin of water to drink, and you are to drink it at set times. 12And you shall eat the food as you would a barley cake, after you bake it over dried human excrement in the sight of the people." 13Then the LORD said, "This is how the Israelites will eat their defiled bread among the nations to which I will banish them."...
Quote from: Recusant on June 16, 2020, 04:19:38 AM
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