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Miscellaneous / Re: What are your plans for ol...
Last post by Vocaloldfart - Today at 02:12:52 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on June 13, 2025, 06:15:09 PMi intend to just die young.

I am too ordinary to die young and suffer from the cat killing condition.
At 72 I intend too be a vocaloldfart for the next 15 years.
 
There is too much going on in the world now, to miss out witnessing the approaching societal challenges.
#2
Current Events / Re: Thinga be a-happenin' in I...
Last post by Vocaloldfart - Today at 02:00:54 PM
Quote from: Tank on June 13, 2025, 01:13:13 PMUnfortunately I think this was inevitable. One thing it reveals is how far Israeli intelligence has insinuated itself into Iran. They knew exactly where some very high up people would be.
I read , a while back, that Iran has a large Jewish population. Seems bad apples are to be found in the most unlikely of places.
#3
Politics / Ahh.. wars
Last post by Vocaloldfart - Today at 01:51:59 PM
Is it reasonable to assume
These  Israel/Gaza /Iran & Russia/Ukraine shit shows are bought to you by the banks financing all sides and the military industrial complex who revel in  ways to murder/kill as many ordinary  people as possible for profit?

Demonising or promoting any side is pure theater to get audience attention, involvement and justification for these theatrical shit shows.

It seems to me to be very important that the ordinary taxpayer foots the bill so that the military industrial complex profits.....Handsomely.

Which Government today is not under the spell of the bank and the military  Industrial complex?
Is there one??
#4
Current Events / Re: What is our future?
Last post by Vocaloldfart - Today at 01:21:16 PM
Quote from: Dark Lightning on Today at 12:01:49 PMso military spending in other countries (i.e., those in NATO) must increase.
Australia is not part of NATO yet we were told we have to increase defense spending, Which our Prime Minister so far has said no way Jose too.
Thumpland is now seen as an unreliable totally erractic ally here
I cannot fathom why Thump wants a cashed up NATO military if he plans to take Greenland by force.
Ahh the working of a socio/psychopath. go figure
#5
Apart from the Bermuda Triangle there is also the Derbyshire Triangle in England and the Bonnybridge Triangle in Scotland.
I'm looking for any more you know of., and why triangles and not squares.

https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/video-have-you-seen-the-peak-districts-mysterious-ghost-plane-737396

https://ufos.ac.uk/bonnybridge/


 
#6
Miscellaneous / Re: What are your plans for ol...
Last post by zorkan - Today at 12:39:29 PM
At 75 I spend an hour a day doing Yoga postures, Pilates moves, Chi Kung (Qigong), Neigong, Tai Chi.
Not all at once but a good session of one each day.

Yoga and Pilates are good for the flexibility of the body.
Chi Kung is good for circulation.
Tai Chi is good for the brain.
Neigong is good for healing.






#7
Current Events / Re: What is our future?
Last post by Dark Lightning - Today at 12:01:49 PM
"America" in this case being the chump. He can't grift from other countries like he can grift from the US, so military spending in other countries (i.e., those in NATO) must increase.
#8
Politics / Re: Dominionists in the United...
Last post by Harmonie - Today at 03:41:12 AM
Quote from: Icarus on June 13, 2025, 06:22:37 AMI have yet to understand why there is so much disdain for the LBGTQ+ elements of our society.  I have been around a long time and I have never been harmed by a Queer or Lesbian individual, nor have my children or their children ever been harmed by people of a different sexual persuasion. The christian right, in particular, appear to be the ones who are so immovably hung up on the subject.

[In retrospect, the response below covers a lot of different points and may come off as confusing. If so I apologize. I just have SO MUCH stuck in my head over so many related subjects that it all had to come out in one place lol]

They also seem to be the ones that have a big problem with predators in their congregations and circles. I listen to the Friendly Atheist podcast each week (and other sources as well, of course) and it's constant, and it's... beyond reprehensible. There are few environments that are more susceptible to predators than right wing Christian circles - the patriarchal structures and beliefs, the expectation of obedience, lack of sex education teaching, not believing in consent, not believing victims, blaming victims, and only giving predators a slap on the wrist (like shuffling them to other churches. You've probably heard all about it).

And yet these people with their sex predator pastors and president still try to point the finger at LGBT people as being predatory. They've completely watered down the meaning of "groomer", which is absolutely disgusting. Grooming is very real. It's not a teacher using your kid's preferred pronouns. It's a serious predatory method that, to none of our surprise I'm sure, happens within conservative Christian circles.

Yet somehow they've gotten away with the finger pointing, the demonizing, the ruining of the word "grooming". It boils my blood, I tell you. I'm of course non-religious and don't believe in stuff like some divine Good and Evil... but this comes so darn close to capital E Evil.

I hate so much seeing these baddies win. Same-sex marriage being made legal was a religious freedom victory, not a loss since a religion telling you what you can and can't do by law is explicitly anti-religious freedom. But the Religious Right has an Orwellian idea of religious freedom that they have poisoned the masses with.

And at the end of the day I still can't understand the obsession with same-sex marriage. It's obviously engineered outrage. So many "sincerely-held religious beliefs" are manufactured nowadays, but the anti-homosexuality at least has some basis in the Bible (unlike being anti-vaccine, or I'd even argue being anti-choice. Yes. I'll go there), it just doesn't have enough emphasis in the Bible to match the obsession that the homophobic Christians have. If these people were genuine in taking their "morals" from the Bible, they wouldn't focus on homosexuality so much and would have so many other focuses as well. As I said, it's obvious engineered and it's BS.

People need to wake the F up. It is 2025. We have no excuse. We have so much history behind us to look back at and see that this is just another scapegoating and hatred of a minority group. In fact, the Religious Right culminated around fighting for segregation and fighting against interracial relationships and marriage. They used the very same language to justify their awful racist beliefs "it's our sincerely-held beliefs".

The Religious Right have always been the baddies, and it's clear as day after seeing just a little history. No one should be falling for their nonsense. Stop hating people, stop fighting to take rights and freedoms away from people who are doing no harm. This is all just so evil. Anyone who says that homosexuality is "sin" can shove it. My morality is based on reason and empathy and consensual same-sex relationships are morally fine, hatred, taking away rights and freedoms are evil. I don't care what is "sin", I care what is harmful, and conservative Christians are being harmful.

Of course, I'm more or less lesbian (a little bicurious sometimes, but that's neither here nor there), so I guess I'm naturally inclined to be empathetic toward the plight of LGBT people as a whole. That includes trans people. The evil far right want me to be scared of trans women in the restroom. I ran into someone I was pretty sure was a trans woman in the restroom once. She didn't do anything. The world did not explode. Everything was fine. Who cares? What I'm worried about running into are people like the president, who have been able to get away with everything because they have the fame and money. I'm worried about his followers and worshipers who still support and worship him after the tapes were released where he bragged about sexually assaulting women, or after the interview where he bragged about going into the dressing rooms at his pageants to check out the girls undressed, or who is now civilly-liable for rape, or who is almost definitely on Epstein's list. Trans women don't make me feel unsafe, being in a society where men like Trump face no consequences and tons of people worship makes me feel unsafe.

Rant over.
#9
Current Events / What is our future?
Last post by Vocaloldfart - Today at 02:05:44 AM
I am puzzled and wondering why America is demanding the world increase spending on their military??
I get that America is aiming for profitable military exports, but is this the sole reason???
Does America know something not yet commonly known that WWIII is imminent?

I base this assumption/outright guess on how THUMP preempted the  Israel attack on Iran.
While I sit and ponder, any opinions to the "for and against" are most welcome
#10
Miscellaneous / Re: What are your plans for ol...
Last post by billy rubin - June 13, 2025, 06:15:09 PM
i intend to just die young.