Just a Question

[Davin]

You and your ilk do all the insulting and trolling[...]

lol, behold: the lack of self-awareness!

[DeterminedJuliet]

I'm sorry, Tank, when exactly did I state that aim?

Your MO is well know on atheist forums. Don't play the bleeding heart card Edward, it doesn't suit you.

It's also all over Ed's blog, which I believe he invited us to read so I don't get the innocent act now.

But how else is he going to get us to keep going back to his blog? He's got to get those hits  up there! (he was bragging about how popular it was, after all)

[Ecurb Noselrub]

  Hence, the fact that the laws exist imply that the world is orderly, and not chaotic.  But I don't know if that is actually what you were getting at or asking.

And this would seem to indicate that "chaos" is only apparent, and that underlying all such chaos there would be some sort of principle of order that would eventually manifest itself.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Here comes the 'fine tuning' argument.

Yup...been expecting it since the OP. (Or perhaps the first cause argument)

Considering that some of us said it's all ordered and some of us went with chaos I guess we suck at setting the groundwork for the argument....

I'm not sure it has to lead to either of those arguments. But an underlying order behind the cosmos could hint at some form of intelligence. Intelligence, logic and rationality are orderly, and so is the cosmos. So, the argument could go, the existence of underlying order in the cosmos is consistent with underlying intelligence.  It's not conclusive, but is at least suggestive.

[Crow]

Why are people even responding to this guy anymore its quite obvious he enjoys making discussions go around in meaningless circles for his own amusement that help him provide content for his blog and bump up his traffic. I have yet to see a reply from Egor that actually brings anything interesting to his original topic that shows he understands the premise behind any science or an understanding of chaos theory and that he is willing to learn and debate with understanding rather than just get into pointless discussions that are intended to infuriate people whilst he gets a throbbing erection from reading them.

[Guardian85]

Why are people even responding to this guy anymore its quite obvious he enjoys making discussions go around in meaningless circles for his own amusement that help him provide content for his blog and bump up his traffic. I have yet to see a reply from Egor that actually brings anything interesting to his original topic that shows he understands the premise behind any science or an understanding of chaos theory and that he is willing to learn and debate with understanding rather than just get into pointless discussions that are intended to infuriate people whilst he gets a throbbing erection from reading them.

Because his sillyness is funny?

[Crow]

Because his sillyness is funny?

Must be.

[Guardian85]

Or maybe it's like looking at a racecar spinning out.
You know it is bound for a spectacular crash, but you just can't look away.

[Sandra Craft]

Because his sillyness is funny?

Must be.

It's also for the benefit of any lurkers who may be seriously following the discussion.

[Asmodean]

I wonder why someone who doesn't want a debate is actively seeking it..?  ???

[Tank]

I wonder why someone who doesn't want a debate is actively seeking it..?  ???

Because he's a preacher. He's not interested in debate, why should he be, he knows he's right.

[Guardian85]

I wonder why someone who doesn't want a debate is actively seeking it..?  ???

Because he wants to be a badass warrior for Christ, but is too chicken to actually fight?

[Asmodean]

Because he wants to be a badass warrior for Christ, but is too chicken to actually fight?

...And the hippie-jerk Christ needs badass warriors because..? Doesn't he have like this awesome bloodthirsty dad with unlimited powers and a very short temper?

[Whitney]

Here comes the 'fine tuning' argument.

Yup...been expecting it since the OP. (Or perhaps the first cause argument)

Considering that some of us said it's all ordered and some of us went with chaos I guess we suck at setting the groundwork for the argument....

I'm not sure it has to lead to either of those arguments. But an underlying order behind the cosmos could hint at some form of intelligence. Intelligence, logic and rationality are orderly, and so is the cosmos. So, the argument could go, the existence of underlying order in the cosmos is consistent with underlying intelligence.  It's not conclusive, but is at least suggestive.

I agree that it leaves open the possibility on intelligent involvement.  Really, order or chaos that possibility is still there even if we can naturally explain everything back to the point where everything started.  Probability, however, is what I find questionable.

[The Magic Pudding]

I think Egor has this going on in a big way.

he would bring his bible to science class and debate his teachers on the finer points of evolution.

"In my head, I won every time," says Mr Griffith, now 29.