Just a Question

[Too Few Lions]

The question I am dying to ask is how many 'Veridicans' are there in the world? I get the feeling the answer is probably 'one'...

Well, let me ask you this, how many Christians and Muslims are there in the world?

Now, the question I'm dying to ask is this: Do you think they're right?

In the UK, we call that a politician's answer! I'll take it that the answer probably is in the singular

[Whitney]

If parts go missing to allow gravitational effects to unbalance, then those missing parts have to be explained.

Nothing went missing...you are just taking the illustration of the explanation too literally.   

I hope you aren't actually imagining everything was no a grid either....

[Crow]

Egor you are fucking mental.

-I know that breaks the civility rules but it just has to be said.

[history_geek]

Folks, I think we have found another follower of the "Win by default"-doctrine. Because as soon as you disagree with him or try to argue with his "absolutely true holy visage of truth", you lose.

Oh well. I just wonder if he got that from shockofgod's book or did he he come up with it all on his own....

[Davin]

So which is it, Egor? Is it impossible to have such knowledge, or do you drop your knowledge claim that the expanding early universe wouldn't have imperfection?

[Bunch of unrelated stuff that had nothing to do with what I said.]

You claimed that it is impossible to have knowledge of the beginning of the universe and also made a claim of knowledge about the beginning of the universe. Until you can show that your reasoning is not contradictory, I don't see how it would be possible to have a rational discussion. So please resolve your contradictory statements before we try to move onto to other things.

So which is it, Egor? Is it impossible to have such knowledge, or do you drop your knowledge claim that the expanding early universe wouldn't have imperfection?

[Guardian85]

This discussion is pointless due to two points:

Primus: Our friend Egor's inability to realize that the metaphore of the ball bearings was a metaphore, not a reenactment and his blanket dismissal of all other arguments.

Secundum: Egors prozeletizing of his DIY christian sect.


Egor, if you have special knowledge of the physics of the Big Bang that contradicts modern physics in everything from quantum mechanics, to cosmology, to ballistics please present your evidence. No more blanket statements.
If you are able to convince even one of us, I will nominate you for a Nobel Prize in physics.

And congratulation on your DIY religion. What title have you taken for yourself? I mean, can't be a religious (cult) leader without a swanky title.

[Dobermonster]

Not going to waste time here, other than to suggest Egor read "The Elegant Universe". I think it might blow his mind. Which is satisfying in so many ways . . .

[Whitney]

This discussion is pointless

I think we all knew it would be pointless from the first post and we're basically just responding for any passer by who is honestly wanting to know. 

[Guardian85]

This discussion is pointless

I think we all knew it would be pointless from the first post and we're basically just responding for any passer by who is honestly wanting to know. 

Yeah. I only pointed it out for the record.

[Ali]

Does any one else thinks it's funny that Egor describes his religion as "The doctrine of those who follow that which is true?"  Forgetting for a moment the debatable "truth" behind religion, it just such an...I don't know....vague and weird way to describe it.  Doesn't every religion believe that it is "the doctrine of those who follow that which is true?" 

[Reprobate]

Does any one else thinks it's funny that Egor describes his religion as "The doctrine of those who follow that which is true?"  Forgetting for a moment the debatable "truth" behind religion, it just such an...I don't know....vague and weird way to describe it.  Doesn't every religion believe that it is "the doctrine of those who follow that which is true?" 

I find it to pathetic to be funny, but I'll grant you that there is some irony.

What I'd really like though is a better explanation of whay Egor means by a singularity expanding into nothingness. Where does that come from?

[Tank]

Does any one else thinks it's funny that Egor describes his religion as "The doctrine of those who follow that which is true?"  Forgetting for a moment the debatable "truth" behind religion, it just such an...I don't know....vague and weird way to describe it.  Doesn't every religion believe that it is "the doctrine of those who follow that which is true?" 

Buddhism may not fall into the general 'I know it all' group, but I can't think of any others that don't.

[Dobermonster]

Does any one else thinks it's funny that Egor describes his religion as "The doctrine of those who follow that which is true?"  Forgetting for a moment the debatable "truth" behind religion, it just such an...I don't know....vague and weird way to describe it.  Doesn't every religion believe that it is "the doctrine of those who follow that which is true?" 

Uh, yeah . . .

I'm always confused by people who try to justify religion through science. The point almost always comes back to either "You can't disprove it, so it's true" or "You don't know every detail about how the universe came about, so your point-of-view is silly. Magic is the answer." Which are obvious logical fallacies; the more we come to know about the origins of the universe and how it works, the more religious beliefs are convoluted and struggle to live within the margins of science. Honestly, if you decide to believe something on faith, just say so.

Reprobate: Egor is referring to The Big Bang, and the expansion of the universe. Everything flying apart very quickly, away from everything else, to create a lot more 'nothingness'.

[Reprobate]

Does any one else thinks it's funny that Egor describes his religion as "The doctrine of those who follow that which is true?"  Forgetting for a moment the debatable "truth" behind religion, it just such an...I don't know....vague and weird way to describe it.  Doesn't every religion believe that it is "the doctrine of those who follow that which is true?" 

Uh, yeah . . .

I'm always confused by people who try to justify religion through science. The point almost always comes back to either "You can't disprove it, so it's true" or "You don't know every detail about how the universe came about, so your point-of-view is silly. Magic is the answer." Which are obvious logical fallacies; the more we come to know about the origins of the universe and how it works, the more religious beliefs are convoluted and struggle to live within the margins of science. Honestly, if you decide to believe something on faith, just say so.

Reprobate: Egor is referring to The Big Bang, and the expansion of the universe. Everything flying apart very quickly, away from everything else, to create a lot more 'nothingness'.

I like to point out to those people that you cannot prove that sasquatches don't exist either, and there's a lot more evidence favoring their existence than there is for god.

[Tank]

Please note that Egor (aka Edward the Theist) has a stated aim to Troll atheist forums and provoke atheists into abusing him, which he considers a victory, as we don't play those sort of manipulation games here Egor has not achieved his aim of being banned. It should also be considered that responding to Egor's posts is more about demonstrating how flawed his arguments are than 'winning' any debate. As Egor considers himself not only the rule maker but the referee as well he can never lose in his own mind. But other people read this forum as lurkers so if you are going to debate him do not be distracted by his deliberately patronising and abrasive attitude or mind numbing fuckwittery.