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Started by xSilverPhinx, October 29, 2011, 04:42:50 PM

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Stevil

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on October 31, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
Oh no, animals should never be used for human entertainment! Or food. or research. or anything. Ever.
(FYI I am not a PETA fan)
I am against horse racing. Jumping on top of an animal yanking on a metal bit forced into its mouth and kicking it and whipping it so that people can gamble is abhorrent.

Tank

Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on October 31, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
Oh no, animals should never be used for human entertainment! Or food. or research. or anything. Ever.
(FYI I am not a PETA fan)
I am against horse racing. Jumping on top of an animal yanking on a metal bit forced into its mouth and kicking it and whipping it so that people can gamble is abhorrent.
I have no idea where that strawman of horse racing came from. If a jocky abused a multi-million pound horse he'd find himself out of the stable in a flash. I would ban the whip though as it is completly unnecessary. If all jockys have one it cancels out, so is unnecessary.

I don't like jumping horse racing as the risks to horse and rider are unneccessary. Competition on the flat is perfectly acceptable.
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Stevil

Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
I have no idea where that strawman of horse racing came from. If a jocky abused a multi-million pound horse he'd find himself out of the stable in a flash.
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.

OldGit

IMO the Mongolian practice of inserting rockets in the horse's rear end is not inhumane, provided that:

  1.  The rocket has adequate thermal insulation
  2.  It is not one of those which shoot out stars at the end.

Tank

Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
I have no idea where that strawman of horse racing came from. If a jocky abused a multi-million pound horse he'd find himself out of the stable in a flash.
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.
That would be interesting. But what would they chase? A bale of hay?  ;D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.
That would be interesting. But what would they chase? A bale of hay?  ;D

They chase a mechanical rabbit.  Frankly, dog racing seems very hard on the greyhounds -- there's a local rescue group devoted entirely to racing dogs and I don't know if it's a co-incidence, but a lot of those dogs are missing a leg.
Sandy

  

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Tank

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 01, 2011, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.
That would be interesting. But what would they chase? A bale of hay?  ;D

They chase a mechanical rabbit.  Frankly, dog racing seems very hard on the greyhounds -- there's a local rescue group devoted entirely to racing dogs and I don't know if it's a co-incidence, but a lot of those dogs are missing a leg.
LOL I know the dogs chase a mechanical rabbit. I was thinking what would the horses chase if they didn't have a jokey  :D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
I have no idea where that strawman of horse racing came from. If a jocky abused a multi-million pound horse he'd find himself out of the stable in a flash.
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.

Dog racing is worse, most retired greyhounds are put to sleep when they're past their prime.

I think Tank is right, champion horses are treated very well - if they weren't, they can't race. Don't really know what happens to the average racers after their careers are over though. 
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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 11:30:44 AM
Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 08:29:18 AM
I have no idea where that strawman of horse racing came from. If a jocky abused a multi-million pound horse he'd find himself out of the stable in a flash.
Depends on your definition of abuse. I would consider horse racing unnecessary and abusive, purely for people's entertainment, unless of course it was more like dog racing, with no rider and the horse choosing to chase after something.
That would be interesting. But what would they chase? A bale of hay?  ;D

Better to get them running from something. LOL ;D
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

But seriously now, even horse racing pales in comaprision to bloody sports such as bull baiting. I think it wasn even recently banned in Spain?

Talk about vestiges of a gladitorial past. ::)
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Sandra Craft

Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 04:09:09 PM
LOL I know the dogs chase a mechanical rabbit. I was thinking what would the horses chase if they didn't have a jokey  :D

Oh, the horses.  I think you'd be out of luck with them chasing anything jockey-less, unless it was a bunch of stallions chasing a mare.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Buddy

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 01, 2011, 05:13:45 PM
Quote from: Tank on November 01, 2011, 04:09:09 PM
LOL I know the dogs chase a mechanical rabbit. I was thinking what would the horses chase if they didn't have a jokey  :D

Oh, the horses.  I think you'd be out of luck with them chasing anything jockey-less, unless it was a bunch of stallions chasing a mare.


Even geldings do that sometimes. Mostly mine when we're showing  ::)


I personally would love to get my hunting license, but I have nobody to go with.
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Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 01, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
Don't really know what happens to the average racers after their careers are over though. 
Retirement and a life of munching on hay and hanging around allergy-inducing stables, if they lucky  :P
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DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: Stevil on November 01, 2011, 04:53:02 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on October 31, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
Oh no, animals should never be used for human entertainment! Or food. or research. or anything. Ever.
(FYI I am not a PETA fan)
I am against horse racing. Jumping on top of an animal yanking on a metal bit forced into its mouth and kicking it and whipping it so that people can gamble is abhorrent.

I actually support many of the same causes that PETA does - I just don't like that they are an organization that makes over $30 million a year and uses practically NOTHING of this to actually improve the lives of animals in any real way. They are a marketing/money making machine. I have a million times more respect for the SPCA and humane shelters - I've seen first hand the good that they do with very minimal budgets.
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xSilverPhinx

Penn and Teller did an Bullsh1t episode on PETA. Don't know how much of it is true, though.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey