homosexuality

[fyv0h]

...Stuff Chronos said...

Love the name. Chronos. Awesome. Eat babies!


I guess the problem I have with society and it's disdain for homosexuality is that the benefit of gay marraige is lost with this misconception of homosexuality being an abomination, and the subsequent laws passed to appease the righteous tards. It seems to me that children brought up in environments with access to an accepted same-sex couple would tend to view the concept less critically. Just as children of (or raised around) interracial couples tend to be less racist, children brought up in the company of homosexuals would tend to be less homophobic and more accepting of the culture. Nothing cures intolerance like multiculturalism, i guess is the statement I'm making?

[Sandra Craft]

Nothing cures intolerance like multiculturalism, i guess is the statement I'm making?

True enough, from what I've heard there've been enough kids raised in same-sex parent households over a long enough period of time to do studies of how they turned out and they found that altho there's only a slightly higher likelihood of the kids being homosexual themselves than kids raised by opposite-sex parents, there a much greater likelihood of the kids being tolerant and accepting of lifestyle differences. 

Unfortunately, that itself is the problem with homophobes.  They don't want greater tolerance of homosexuality, and they want anything that could cause it stepped on and eliminated fast.

[Stevil]

They don't want greater tolerance...

Tolerance should not be tolerated.

I have heard a theist state that they thought government were forcing tolerance of gay marriage onto their state and that they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it.

This of course makes no sense, but the way people twist things is amazing to me. They think I should consider their stance to be honest and that they are a victim because they are not allowed to outlaw something that they will never be the victim of.

[DeterminedJuliet]

They don't want greater tolerance...

Tolerance should not be tolerated.

I have heard a theist state that they thought government were forcing tolerance of gay marriage onto their state and that they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it.

This of course makes no sense, but the way people twist things is amazing to me. They think I should consider their stance to be honest and that they are a victim because they are not allowed to outlaw something that they will never be the victim of.

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

[Tank]

They don't want greater tolerance...

Tolerance should not be tolerated.

I have heard a theist state that they thought government were forcing tolerance of gay marriage onto their state and that they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it.

This of course makes no sense, but the way people twist things is amazing to me. They think I should consider their stance to be honest and that they are a victim because they are not allowed to outlaw something that they will never be the victim of.

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

Glee?

[DeterminedJuliet]

They don't want greater tolerance...

Tolerance should not be tolerated.

I have heard a theist state that they thought government were forcing tolerance of gay marriage onto their state and that they shouldn't be forced to tolerate it.

This of course makes no sense, but the way people twist things is amazing to me. They think I should consider their stance to be honest and that they are a victim because they are not allowed to outlaw something that they will never be the victim of.

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

Glee?

Nooooo, actually. Was that from the most recent season? I watched the first season, but I haven't seen anything since

[Tank]

Glee?

Nooooo, actually. Was that from the most recent season? I watched the first season, but I haven't seen anything since

Jezzz the title was enough for me to avoid it like tooth ache!

[DeterminedJuliet]

Glee?

Nooooo, actually. Was that from the most recent season? I watched the first season, but I haven't seen anything since

Jezzz the title was enough for me to avoid it like tooth ache!

Hahaha

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

Valid observation.  The idea of two men having sex may disgust me and cause a visceral reaction, but that in and of itself is no reason for me to demand that it be outlawed.  Some of the things people eat disgust me to, and some of the clothes I see people wear in Wal-Mart disgust me even more.  Working in a hospital, I see some repugnantly fat people come in complaining of health problems, and there is an immediate and negative visceral reaction in the core of my being. However, I don't demand that they be "outlawed."  Generally, I'm for individual liberty, and I think that government should stay out of people's lives unless they are harming someone else.  So, if two men want to marry, that's their business, whether I understand it or not.

Here in Texas, a comedian/musician/author/bullshit artist named Kinky Friedman ran for governor in 2006.  I decided to vote for him when he was asked "do you support gay marriage." His response was "yes, I support gay marriage. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"  

[Xjeepguy]

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

Valid observation.  The idea of two men having sex may disgust me and cause a visceral reaction, but that in and of itself is no reason for me to demand that it be outlawed.  Some of the things people eat disgust me to, and some of the clothes I see people wear in Wal-Mart disgust me even more.  Working in a hospital, I see some repugnantly fat people come in complaining of health problems, and there is an immediate and negative visceral reaction in the core of my being. However, I don't demand that they be "outlawed."  Generally, I'm for individual liberty, and I think that government should stay out of people's lives unless they are harming someone else.  So, if two men want to marry, that's their business, whether I understand it or not.

Here in Texas, a comedian/musician/author/bullshit artist named Kinky Friedman ran for governor in 2006.  I decided to vote for him when he was asked "do you support gay marriage." His response was "yes, I support gay marriage. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"  

Why can't all theists think this way?

[Tank]

Some people's brains hurt when they are made to realize that you can't outlaw something just because you don't like it. They don't like homosexuality, so they do all kinds of rationalizations and mental gymnastics to come up with "reasons" to outlaw it. The reasons make no sense and they probably know it. They don't care. They want to outlaw gay marriage because they, on a very personal level, just don't like it.

Of course, most of us realize that not liking something is not a good enough reason to outlaw it, but some people aren't used to being told "no".

Valid observation.  The idea of two men having sex may disgust me and cause a visceral reaction, but that in and of itself is no reason for me to demand that it be outlawed.  Some of the things people eat disgust me to, and some of the clothes I see people wear in Wal-Mart disgust me even more.  Working in a hospital, I see some repugnantly fat people come in complaining of health problems, and there is an immediate and negative visceral reaction in the core of my being. However, I don't demand that they be "outlawed."  Generally, I'm for individual liberty, and I think that government should stay out of people's lives unless they are harming someone else.  So, if two men want to marry, that's their business, whether I understand it or not.

Here in Texas, a comedian/musician/author/bullshit artist named Kinky Friedman ran for governor in 2006.  I decided to vote for him when he was asked "do you support gay marriage." His response was "yes, I support gay marriage. Why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us?"  

Why can't all theists think this way?

Because only a limited number of people are capable of critical thought and an even smaller number actually bother to make the effort.

[Good and Godless]

I just watched a documentary (you can stream it on Netflix) called For the Bible Tells Me So.  It focuses on how the Bible is misused to persecute homosexuals.  It was an interesting movie, though I give you fair warning that most of the people (even the open-minded, tolerant ones) are religious.  It was ultimately a hopeful message that the attitude toward homosexuals within the religious community is and will continue to change and become more accepting.

I'm just left with one major question, though.  So many people in the movie have an epiphany about homosexuality.  They realize that God wouldn't make homosexuals only to curse them to hell.  Or they realize that Jesus' message of love is more important than obscure Old Testament references to sexual behavior.  So many people have an "a-ha" moment about this, but so few of them go the next step to question the existence of god altogether.  In fact, many of them thank him for bringing about their change of heart.  How is it that there isn't more of a snowball effect here? 

[Xjeepguy]

I watched that documentary a few weeks ago. It's sad about some of those people and what they went through, and how their families treated them.

[Good and Godless]

It was sad.  But at least most of the parents grew to accept and even embrace their children's homosexuality.  Unfortunately, in Christian homes, I think this is the exception rather than the rule. 

I was particularly infuriated by the clips of Dr. Dobson and Jimmy Swaggart.  It amazes me that such hatred can parade around as Christian Ministry.  I find the whole idea of "reforming" sexuality complete asininity.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Hmm, homosexuality, doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It used to though.

As a lifelong atheist, it wasn't anything in the bible that made me against it, neither was I brought up to fear or hate gays.

I just decided in my youth that because gays are a minority that they weren't "normal". Before anybody jumps down my throat with "what is normal?", "yes they are normal!" - no, no they aren't. "The norm" is what the majority do ie man sleeps with woman, so homosexuals aren't normal by definition.

My attitude changed, when I came to the conclusion "what is actually wrong with not being normal?" - I couldn't really justify my anti-gay opinion any longer. So now I don't mind at all.

I have to say though, if I see two men kissing on TV, I can't actually stomach it, it makes me cringe. No problem with two women kissing though, work that one out. (i know that statement goes against my initial sentence, to clarify - watching the homosexual act bothers me as heterosexual stuff turns me on, but I'm no longer bothered by anyone being gay, if that makes any sense)