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Re: When did "separation of church and state" mean something else?

Started by Sweetdeath, July 26, 2011, 04:15:35 AM

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Quote from: Gawen on July 27, 2011, 01:21:29 AM


QuoteNo, I'm athiest. I think it is absolutely foolish to believe in any God.   I just enjoy various mythology, especially Shinto, Greek, and Norse.
I just got done reading The Iliad and The Odyssey back to back (for the second time). Those Greek gods were some characters weren't they!! Always muckin' around in mortals lives.

hmmmm...sounds rather familiar, don't it?

Sure does.  ;)
At least Greek gods admit they are assholes, haha.
Aw, I read the Iliad when I was 16. Memories~
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Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

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Quote from: Davin on July 25, 2011, 08:13:09 PM

Did you cite this ruling because you agree with it?

Edit: Meant "cite" instead of "site".

No simply to show where the American legal system stands on this matter, its not something I agree with. I personally think that with the slow but growing change in the American populace towards religion it will eventually be possible for American Atheists to effectively argue the case for the removal of "god" being forced down there throat especially when the first amendment and various writings by there founding fathers support the view.
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Davin

Quote from: Crow on July 31, 2011, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: Davin on July 25, 2011, 08:13:09 PM

Did you cite this ruling because you agree with it?

Edit: Meant "cite" instead of "site".

No simply to show where the American legal system stands on this matter, its not something I agree with. I personally think that with the slow but growing change in the American populace towards religion it will eventually be possible for American Atheists to effectively argue the case for the removal of "god" being forced down there throat especially when the first amendment and various writings by there founding fathers support the view.
I do like that many of the founding fathers were against religion in government, I also like that they put a major protection as the first amendment but only because those two work so well on those that say that the country was founded on Christianity or those that worship the founding fathers. However if the founding fathers had put religion into the government, I'd still be fighting for separation of church and state because I see that as the best way to run a government (especially a representative government that has constituates of more than one religion).

So I disagree with the ruling both on the constitutional grounds and on the grounds that it is one good way to empower religions to influence the government. I've had to show many a people that the "in god we trust" and "under god" were not added until the 1950's and they're left surprised because of the actual history of them (top it off with the Bellamy Salute and their brains almost explode). I really think the only reason the national slogan, the pledge and the flag salute changed was because of the red witch hunts at the time due to the soviet scare and the prick pimple McCarthy.
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