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Started by Asmodean, February 05, 2011, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: "Existentialist"Your logic is compassionless.
QuoteThat's what makes your approach psychopathic, that's why you didn't mind hurting the woman whose child it was (if the story was even true). That's why you're playing this game with the rest of us.
QuoteI answered the whole of your post. I selected just one quote that summed it all up. There's no need for me to add anything.
Quote from: "Asmodean"If you had one arm and one leg, how would it diminish you if someone pointed the fact out? Or are we all supposed to pretend you are no different from the flock?(This is really a "why"-question if the answer in general is "yes")
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PMIn Asmo's grey lump, wrath and dark clouds gather force.Luxembourg trembles.
Quote from: "Existentialist"Scrap.
QuoteThere is a word for an emotionless individual who treats human life like an inanimate object. Psychopath.
QuoteThere is a lot of truly psychopathic reasoning coming from Asmodean today. At the moment I am in two minds about whether he is doing it just for attention, or if he really believes it. It's pretty extreme, pretty sickening, and we seem to be completely powerless to respond to it in this forum on the level we really want to. Some Laid Back Lounge this is turning out to be.
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"I can't really find a problem with your logic, Asmodean. Me, I'd want to know just exactly how disadvantaged this kid is before trying to make any decision. Do you know what problems he has?
Quote from: "Asmodean"Multiple conditions, as far as I understand. Which cause what is out of my medical league. Basically, the kid has no use of arms and legs, poor control of respiration and waste disposal (probably among other things), what I believe is called "severe mental retardation" to the point where it affects even the most basic functions and a tube coming out of his stomach region.Does not make eye contact. Is just largely being a weird-looking lump in a wheelchair.
Quote from: "Existentialist"Well, your attitude sickens me. Both of you.
Quote from: "Whitney"note: thread moved into the social issues area of the forumEven though there is no apparent humane way around it, I don't like the idea of my tax dollars going to pay for children and people who have no higher brain function...like in the case of terry shivo (sp) where the poor husband wanted to let his wife's body go because his wife was no longer in it yet the rest of the family wanted to cling onto something that just wasn't there. When I think of what makes a person a person and it's higher brain function that is the main factor (and may even mean some other animals could qualify for personhood). So if a baby is going to be born without even the ability to have thoughts I don't really have an emotional connection to the child, past not wanting to cause unnecessary harm to living things. I'm not a sociopath or a psychopath, I just think there is a line at which I would not provide life support to a human whether it is an adult or a baby because you'd just be keeping an unused body alive after high brain function is inactive.The above said, I don't think we could claim to live in a civilized society if we didn't provide care to children simply because their mothers chose not to abort (imo too dumb to realize it is for the best and the most humane choice in some cases). However, in home baby sitting if children who will never even know they are alive seems overboard to me too....group care facilities would be a humane yet cost effective option for those mothers who couldn't afford to raise a child with extremely special needs (like to the point that they aren't even sentient). This would free up resources for those families who do have special needs children but don't get enough help (or in some cases no help) because their kids aren't extreme enough.No forced abortions.No refusing to care for severely retarded and deformed babies.No lack of empathy.Simply making sure help is offered in a manner that does the most good both ethically and pragmatically.
Quote from: "Existentialist"Isn't he already at home?
Quote from: "Asmodean"Quote from: "Existentialist"Isn't he already at home?Yes. And mommy has a full time job, paid for by our glorious government, taking care of him 24/7. And that state paying part is, in my opinion, just wrong. Have I ever mentioned that before..?
Quote from: "Existentialist"I'm glad she gets that support from the state, and I'm glad people like you who would withdraw the funding are as rare as you are.
QuoteBeing an atheist doesn't mean having a compassion by-pass.
QuoteI think you're mixing up atheism with psychopathy.
QuoteThat morsel of humanity makes me think you're just making a point to get attention. Have fun for the rest of the conversation.
QuoteI'm glad she gets that support from the state, and I'm glad people like you who would withdraw the funding are as rare as you are. Being an atheist doesn't mean having a compassion by-pass. I think you're mixing up atheism with psychopathy. But you obviously have some conscience, since you want to soften the blow by calling it sociopathy, which has a more socially-aware ring to it. That morsel of humanity makes me think you're just making a point to get attention. Have fun for the rest of the conversation
Quote from: "terranus"Compassion, having a "conscience" - these things are false realities created by the human imagination. You have to look at the world for what it is - not for what you feel it to be. Looking at the world and explaining from an emotional perspective doesn't work - you have to look at it using logic. The human race is not seperate from nature - we are just as much a part of the world as the dirt beneath our feet. Therefore, you must look at humanity's problems from a logical perspective as well. Being "humane" has nothing to do with it. If it can be proven before a fetus is born that, logically, it will be a drain on the rest of society, an unproductive member or the human race and unable to function at all, then I see no reason not to "scrap" it.