Started by NothingSacred, October 29, 2010, 02:52:27 PM
Quote from: "Sophus"I consider myself a Nihilist and a Humanist. AlP
Quote from: "AlP"Nihilism is, I think generally, a denial of value. I think the idea of nihilism can broadly be broken down into four ways of denying value across two dimensions, the two dimensions being orderly-versus-unorderly and systematic-versus-unsystematic. If one combines the extreme examples of these two pairs, one comes up with four combinations.
QuoteExamples of the orderly / systematic combination might be positivism or religious fundamentalism. These can be nihilistic in the sense that one denies one's own sense of value in favor of the order of a universal system, science or deities' authority respectively in this case.
QuoteThe orderly / unsystematic combination might be, for example, multiculturalism or postmodernism. In the extreme, these can be nihilistic in the sense that one replaces one's own sense of value with the values of others.
QuoteThe unorderly / systematic combination is a place where an atheist might find themselves stuck, perhaps especially if they have come from a religious background. The desire for a unified understanding of reality (or an infallible system) remains and yet, as the facades that once seemed real fall and value cannot be rationally justified, one can be compelled to abandon value in order to meet the high standards of a rational system.
QuoteMy exit was to understand that value is a verb and I need not make the reification error of those who think it is a noun. Or in other words, value does not exist; it happens.
QuoteIf one thinks of these as three corners of a square, I think Nietzsche sat, often mockingly, in the fourth corner - unorderly / unsystematic. If he was a nihilist then he was a nihilist who despised nihilism. He especially despised the ideals of systematic order and championed the idea that value and responsibility for one's deeds are one's own, however harrowing and difficult that might seem.
Quote from: "Inevitable Droid"QuoteMy exit was to understand that value is a verb and I need not make the reification error of those who think it is a noun. Or in other words, value does not exist; it happens.How did that resolve your difficulties?
Quote from: "AlP"I need to ponder. Maybe I will respond fully over the weekend. But to answer this specific question, I came to value my own responsibility. By responsibility I do not mean the perverse inversion that is "what I ought to do". Rather I think of responsibility as "what I have done" and "what I will do". I identify my life with those actions that I am responsible for. With something of my own to value, I escaped radical nihilism or as I once called it, "practicing" nihilism.