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Started by toink33, October 20, 2006, 01:52:21 AM
Quote from: "Mastriani"Mind you, before making any of the following statements, I make clear that it is not a matter of judgement, assuming fault on any individual, or an attempt at an ad hominem attack; I only use what is in evidence, to wit:
Quote from: "Mastriani"My answer would be, whether knowingly or unknowingly, you have an alterior agenda. Social contract has been a lengthy, and mostly valuable, development in hominid sociality. Also, other primates and other species of the higher order exhibit this, as a survival trait.
Quote from: "Mastriani"There are two reasons this occurs: You are an alpha specimen attempting to gain with less energy expenditure, what is available by proxy of social contract; or you are an omega specimen, and maintaining the defined parameters of the social contract, guarantees you continuance.
Quote from: "Mastriani"Most never take the time to view what we do socially as hominids, but it is an economic (resource) transaction.
Quote from: "Mastriani"This shows that it is deeply engrained into the biochemical framework, to assist in the capacity to ensure continuance, (procreation). It actually goes to the extent, genetically, that moving away from the social process, can cause physical repercussions.
Quote from: "Mastriani"To balance the scales of the discourse, there is another side represented by myself and some of the other posters: strict competitiveness of the reptilian mind. Noticed in all of our commentary; lack of trust, solitary notions of the self security by not taking part in the social contract, and likelihood of tendencies toward more aggressive reactions with sensations of insecurity, (assumed under bias).Together we represent the theoretical balance of sociality: altruism under social contract ensures some resource leveling; reptilian minded competitiveness allows for "herd culling".Both are strategies for the procreative assurance, species continuance.
QuoteYou're speaking above my education level, I think. Could you elaborate on "alpha specimen" and "omega specimen"?
QuoteI do good for others so that they will do good back to me, as a behavioral economy...sounds a bit like a technical explaination of the golden rule.
QuoteInteresting. I have no problem accepting the possibility that altruistm comes from an inate biochemical response as opposed to a conscious decision. The result is the same.
QuoteI find you conclusions reasonable.
Quote from: "donkeyhoty"so, not to be a dick or anything, but it's ulterior not alterior. A common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless.
Quote from: "Willravel"Do good and evil exist in reality? Not really.
Quote from: "toink33"I have some born again friends, when they figured out that I don't believe in their god, they told me I should and one of the reasons they give me is that heaven is a great place that there will be no bad things, no suffering, no pain, and that all will be happy because everything that is bad don't exsist in heaven.I asked them how can one know what is happiness/good when the idea of all things bad/evil does not exsist in heaven. One of them just points me to some page in the bible.What do you guys think?