I really wish Creationism was taught in my school...

[Kevin]

Even for just like next year, my Senior year.. I would love it.
I would love to hear their evidence and what they have to say, and I would love to logically refute it, as well as with what scientific stuff I can (I'm a logical person, not scientific).

Oh, it would be so great. When we learn about Evolution this year would be fun, too... I want to hear SO BAD what Christians have to say about it...


But, I do have a question about Evolution:
I know that there are quite a bit of theists that believe in God, but also Evolution.. Well, isn't it taught that Humans are God's special creation? If so, how can you believe that God put simple single-celled organisms here on Earth, that (I think) took billions of years to turn into multi-celled organisms, but that Humans are God's special creation?

[curiosityandthecat]

Theists say that evolution is the method through which God works.

It's a nice way of side-stepping the facts.

[Kevin]

Theists say that evolution is the method through which God works.

It's a nice way of side-stepping the facts.

Oh yes. Basically accepting the evidence against what God is being taught as so they can keep believing in God.

[joeactor]

Well... not all theists ;-)

Where theists get into a mental bind is when they try to define "god" or god's interactions with the natural world.

Agnostic: it's what I don't know!

IMHO, Science cannot prove or disprove god, because god is a super-natural being.  God's just not in the realm of science, period.

Where atheists get into a mental bind is when they try to define "god" or god's interactions with the natural world.

... sound familiar?

The less you know,
JoeActor

[McQ]

Joe got in here to make the point I was going to make, so to simply add to what he put so well, I want to say that people need to distinguish between theist, deist, spirituality, and the various shades of belief/non-belief.

Saying that theists have an issue with evolution is about as far off the mark as saying that atheists are devil-worshippers. What I believe, if I read you right, Kevin, is that certain fundamentalist christians (i.e. "young earthers", creationists, and I.D.ers) have an issue with it.

[Sophus]

Theists say that evolution is the method through which God works.

This I really don't understand. God chose to create us via evolution so there would be more atheists? Apparently he wanted it to appear so improbable that he exists. Wish Titan was here.

[Squid]

Even for just like next year, my Senior year.. I would love it.
I would love to hear their evidence and what they have to say, and I would love to logically refute it, as well as with what scientific stuff I can (I'm a logical person, not scientific).

Creationism's "evidence" (other than the bible) is based on perceived anomalies (which are usually either fabrications or easily explained by natural processes) and negative argumentation - "X exists/happened/whatever therefore modern geology is wrong and therefore the Earth is less than 10,000 years old".

[curiosityandthecat]

This I really don't understand. God chose to create us via evolution so there would be more atheists? Apparently he wanted it to appear so improbable that he exists. Wish Titan was here.

Nah.. according to the theist logic being used here, there's never a question about God's involvement, so us saying evolution is a natural process with no supernatural markings whatsoever is wrong to them. For them, evolution doesn't have anything to do with atheism, and instead has everything to do with the beauty and complexity of God's creation.

It's still a load of bollocks.

[MariaEvri]

Even for just like next year, my Senior year.. I would love it.
I would love to hear their evidence and what they have to say, and I would love to logically refute it, as well as with what scientific stuff I can (I'm a logical person, not scientific).

the same reason I wish I could turn back time and go to religion class in highschool again

[Kevin]

Even for just like next year, my Senior year.. I would love it.
I would love to hear their evidence and what they have to say, and I would love to logically refute it, as well as with what scientific stuff I can (I'm a logical person, not scientific).

the same reason I wish I could turn back time and go to religion class in highschool again
We go over religion, like Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Christianity for like a few weeks in World Civ your Sophomore year, but that's it.

[SSY]

I was made to sit through religious studies class. We looked at different religons, it was somewhat interesting, and was taught in what I considered to be a non denominational way. I still would have preffered to be learning something useful though.

[VanReal]

I have heard a Christian explain that God's days are not the same as human day's so when the bible says God created everything in seven days it may have been thousands of years in human terms.  So, in my mind I considered that if during his creating he was causing evolution he must have been making some serious errors during the original design.....

Public school is no place for this class, if that is to be learned it needs to happen in a religious setting, or maybe as a debate class, hehe.  

I don't think promoting evolution is a requirement of being a non-believer though, that theory is expanding and scientists are learning more and more about the earth's history.  I don't use this as an argument against religion/God as it's not necessary to believe the current theories to not believe in God.  It's just human nature to question, inquire and discover.  I am interested in how things arrived at their present but I don't associate that with my non-belief.  

Regarding the religion classes spoken of in the last few posts.  I took one years ago in college, and it was pretty interesting as it historically described the development of religion.  A bigger question would be if we can trace the path of the creation of religion by man how could intelligent design be true?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Theists say that evolution is the method through which God works.

It's a nice way of side-stepping the facts.

Is it? I was rather under the impression that "facts" were a wee bit absent went it came to first life?

I mean I don't personally believe there's a god who started everything including first life and who is so mega clever it knows it would end up with us (though a god who did so would be far, far cleverer than any in standard Christian doctrine) but I can't disprove it either. Cleverer still would be a god who started the entire universe and knew it would end up with us.

I'm of the view that if there ever was a creator god it's dead now.

Kyu