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Vestigial Traits

Started by Stoicheion, October 21, 2008, 09:17:22 PM

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Stoicheion

I, among many people, can move my ears. This is a common, though useless, trait among humans.

I'm looking at my cats. They move their ears to enhance their ability to hear prey or predator coming from a given direction. Dogs cock their heads not from confusion but to hear the subject better. Did early human ancestors do this? Yes, small monkeys have this ability. Monkeys evolved into apes and apes evolved into humans. So how does this trait remain after a few hundred thousand of years of not needing it?

here's the wikipedia page on other vestigial traits. I found it quite interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial
[size=85]So why does there only have to be one correct philosophy?
I don't wanna go and follow you just to end up like one of them
And why are you always telling me what you want me to believe?
I'd like to think that I can go my own way and meet you in the end
Go my own way and meet you in the end
"Same Direction" - Hoobastank
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curiosityandthecat

Luck. If the traits end up being dominant, but don't hinder survival, there's no reason for them to be lost.
-Curio

Stoicheion

hmm simple and yet your answer explains everything. Thanks ^_^
[size=85]So why does there only have to be one correct philosophy?
I don't wanna go and follow you just to end up like one of them
And why are you always telling me what you want me to believe?
I'd like to think that I can go my own way and meet you in the end
Go my own way and meet you in the end
"Same Direction" - Hoobastank
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curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "Stoicheion"hmm simple and yet your answer explains everything. Thanks ^_^

And, for all I know, completely wrong. :) It's what you'd call nothing more than an educated guess.
-Curio

Stoicheion

makes enough sense to me [shrug] :)
[size=85]So why does there only have to be one correct philosophy?
I don't wanna go and follow you just to end up like one of them
And why are you always telling me what you want me to believe?
I'd like to think that I can go my own way and meet you in the end
Go my own way and meet you in the end
"Same Direction" - Hoobastank
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DennisK

Mutations are key to natural selection.  If we didn't have them, we couldn't have existed.  Who knows, your ear wiggling trait could help you to communicate with birds -or maybe god. :hail: << ear wigglin'
"If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality." -Halton Arp

Tanker

While I can't move my ears no matter how hard I try on my own, if I hear a sudden sharp noise whichever ear is closer twitches. Same as other aniimals, their ear movement is probaly as involuntary and complety natural.
"I'd rather die the go to heaven" - William Murderface Murderface  Murderface-

I've been in fox holes, I'm still an atheist -Me-

God is a cake, and we all know what the cake is.

(my spelling, grammer, and punctuation suck, I know, but regardless of how much I read they haven't improved much since grade school. It's actually a bit of a family joke.

Shard

Quote from: "Stoicheion"I, among many people, can move my ears. This is a common, though useless, trait among humans.

I'm looking at my cats. They move their ears to enhance their ability to hear prey or predator coming from a given direction. Dogs cock their heads not from confusion but to hear the subject better. Did early human ancestors do this? Yes, small monkeys have this ability. Monkeys evolved into apes and apes evolved into humans. So how does this trait remain after a few hundred thousand of years of not needing it?

here's the wikipedia page on other vestigial traits. I found it quite interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vestigial
The highlighted bit is not correct - no currently existing species evolved from another currently existing species, it doesn't work like that.  The correct formulation is that monkeys, apes and humans share a common ancestor.  Chimpanzees are our nearest relatives (closer than the gorilla or other large apes), i.e. we share our most recent common ancestor with chimps.  That common ancestor was neither human nor chimpanzee.  

If you're interested in vestigial characters I can recommend this site: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/.  Part 2 deals with a bunch of different kinds of vestigial characters (although I can thoroughly recommend the whole lot, if you have the time!).  

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"Luck. If the traits end up being dominant, but don't hinder survival, there's no reason for them to be lost.
Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "Stoicheion"hmm simple and yet your answer explains everything. Thanks ^_^

And, for all I know, completely wrong. ;)
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space
Because there’s bugger all down here on Earth!