They have caught the insurance killer.

[Tank]

It'll be interesting to see why he did it.


Luigi Mangione charged with murdering healthcare CEO in New York

[The Magic Pudding..]

It'll be interesting to see why he did it.


Luigi Mangione charged with murdering healthcare CEO in New York

This is the problem with all these tired old rationalist type forums
You old wise types sit puffing your pipes patiently waiting to see how things turn out

Well I want conjecture!
I want my marshmallow now!

Why couldn't he wear a false beard and big sunglasses and a cap always?
He's probably lost someone
He's probably mentally ill

He's quite the hero over on Imgur
It's alright if we kill someone because the government isn't doing what we think it should

New York will box him, not kill him directly.

Surrendered his life for a gesture, slightly better than setting yourself on fire I suppose.

[Asmodean]

Eh... I'll take it a step further than Tank and say that they have an suspect in custody who, until convicted, didn' do nuthin'.

On a more general note, yeah... If it's life exchanged for some notion of martyrdom, then it's just sad. I blame the Interwebs. Well, not really, but it is not entirely untrue.

[Tank]

Eh... I'll take it a step further than Tank and say that they have an suspect in custody who, until convicted, didn' do nuthin'.

On a more general note, yeah... If it's life exchanged for some notion of martyrdom, then it's just sad. I blame the Interwebs. Well, not really, but it is not entirely untrue.

I think he's bang to right on this one. So while you are 100% technically correct I don't think they need to look for any further suspects. The ironic thing is he's now covered by the state medical insurance!

[Icarus]

We have a less than ideal medical care system. Sure enough we have all the bells and whistles of the most advanced medical science and practice.  Problem is that so few of us can afford the price. Our medical insurance cost is pretty steep. It is not unusual for a young married couple to have to pay 10, 15, 20% of their income for health insurance premiums.

It is not unusual to have the big time insurance providers to DENY coverage for whatever the medical case may be. The Billing for treatment of a Broken leg, for example, might very well extend into the tens of thousands of dollars. The medical care providers are either forced into issuing exhorbitant billing or they issue that kind of billing because they are as greedy as the are insurance providers. 

Here is an example........i managed to tear open a 5cm skin injury in one of my arms. I was bleeding but not in any danger of dying or even getting excited about all that blood. That was the day after a wicked hurricane that had hit this Florida Area. The usual Urgent care facilities that, I would have ordinarily used, were closed while the staff was recovering from the damages to their homes or properties. I went to the only open emergency care outfit that was open for business on this side of my city. A surly nurse, not a doctor, looked at my wounded arm. She sloppily put some "Steri- Strips (adhesive tapes strips) on the arm to close the wounds. The eventual billing was 3,300 dollars. I paid 100 $ co pay and the insurance company negotiated the remainder of the bill down to the 800$ that they paid.    My ordinary urgent care clinic would have billed their standard 190 dollars for the same treatment and my co pay would have been $10. So you see the system is really fucked up.

The insurance carriers are certainly not innocent. They do sometimes deny payment, or in many cases deny the patient the ability to be treated at all for problems that may even be life threatening.

In my case I am doing well,  much better than my younger neighbors. I am old enough to qualify for a type of federal health care benefits that take a lot of the load off the insurance companies. I pay a small monthly sum for the combined coverage of Medicare and Humana insurance.  I have no axe to grind but I do have some compassion for those younger people who may be dying of, one malady or another, that they cannot afford to have treated by the medical community.

[Tank]

As a Brit I do find the American health care system terrifying.

[Asmodean]

So while you are 100% technically correct

Nah... The way I see it, unless caught in the act, it would have to be proven that he dun' did the thing - even if he says he did it, in fact. People lie, etc.

I suspect that the suspect is guilty, but my suspicions may be suspect. Suspiciously so.

The Asmo wanders off, quite proud of Himself-self for that word play over yonder. ^^

[The Magic Pudding..]

[Asmodean]

Not just America though. Norwegian helathcare system will shove your ass right under that bus if the treatment you need is too expensive for them, pretty much no matter your value to the society, and we don't even have a well-established health insurance industry or culture to lean on when that happens.

It works for "most people most of the time," and the poorer you are, the better, comparatively speaking, it works for you... Most of the time.

I think a good healthcare system lies somewhere in-between treating emergencies, then billing the patient whether or not he has the ability to pay, and offering above-mediocre "free" healthcare to everyone - but "only" that.

Also, there are more ways of not being able to afford to be alive out there. For example, you may not be able to afford food because meth is bloody expensive in above-miniscule quantities. And speaking of, you may not even be able to afford meth not laced with a unhealthy amount of Fentanyl. Or you may be a pensioner in the south of Norway, where an electricity can cost you a buck a kilowatt or more these days. That's a dollar to run your average heater for thirty minutes, and so someone may end up finding your frigid remains under eighteen blankets come spring.

[billy rubin]

well, is it time to talk about the politics? i have some questions, some rhetorical.

a man was murdered on a new york city sidewalk. approximately one new yorker lies dead on the sidewalk every day. why has this death received this much attention? he was a multi-millionaire health care company CEO.

this individual immediately got a $60 000 reward offered by the Government for apprehension of the killer. why was his death worth so much reward money? nobody else in NYC gets this attention.

the killer was apparently motivated by a dislike of the health care system in america. he has received public adulation for the killing. why?

there are legal, politica,l and moral rules that state that killing someone is wrong. people are saying this killing was not wrong. how is this reconciled?

are there social contract contradictions involved in this event? is it never okay to kill someone, or are there situations where it is sometimes okay to kill someone?

if it sometimes okay, what are the preconditions that need to be satisfied?

which arguments for and against justifying this killing are valid, and which are not?

im curious. ive thought a lot about this killing, and i have decided that i do not condemn the killer, and would nullify any prosecution of him should i be called to be on his jury. in other words, i consider the death of this healthcare businessman to be a justifiable homicide.

this is very interesting, to me.

what is your opinion?

[billy rubin]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/health-insurance-wheelchair-delay?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

[Tank]

Apparently somebody started a defence fund for him and immediately started receiving donations. Lots of donations.

[billy rubin]

he is regarded as a robin hood by all the people in my family.

the crowdfunding site gofundme is said to have pulled three accounts attempting to solicit money for him, as it violates their terms of service.

however, you can send money today to a source that transfers the funds directly to him, if you want.

https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect

US $94,873 so far.

added:

one hour later, and its up to $96,147

[Tank]

The dark fandom behind healthcare CEO murder suspect

[billy rubin]

https://imgur.com/gallery/oh-no-won-t-anybody-think-of-poor-executives-cexZtLw