Failure of justice

[zorkan]

Not sure if anyone is interested, so I'll be brief.
Convictions are made on circumstantial evidence in the UK.
Latest controversy concerns a neonatal nurse who has been jailed for multiple life terms for the murder of 7 babies. She has also endured press attacks.
Could be just the latest in a long line of miscarriage of justice.

https://www.tvguide.co.uk/schedule/d306a1da-1c28-5424-a84a-52ed90fdbe30/lucy-letby-the-new-evidence
 

[Asmodean]

I don't know nearly enough about this particular case to be able to with any claim to legitimacy opine on precisely who's guilty of what.*

That said, however, from what I hear, the British justice system seems to reek of wokeness, which may be an issue as it may become acceptable to judge someone for how something appears, rather than how it is.



*One hundred Internets to those who caught the subtle DS9-reference.

[billy rubin]

as i understand it they just have a correlation between her presence and the deaths.

is that correct?

[Dark Lightning]

Ought to get some of those ace investigators from these US medical forensics shows to help them out. My wife watches that crap all day long, so I get exposure. Crime Scene Investigators are data collectors and analysts. The TV ones run around kicking down doors (some wearing high heels), engage in firefights with criminals and interrogate them. I'm sure that they could help her out. 

[Asmodean]

...They are also more or less all the same show about the same cast of characters.

Well, not really, but close enough.

[zorkan]

The TV program alleged that the hospital had to find a scapegoat for the death of so many babies.
The scapegoat was the nurse on duty at the time.
As an alternative explanation they suggested a super bug had found its way into the room due to poor sanitation.
That would make it difficult for the hospital managers.

Back in the 1970's 21 members of the public were killed by bombs in 2 pubs close by each other in Birmingham.
182 were injured with many maimed for life.
The police were frantically trying to find the culprits.
6 arrests were made on a boat train going to Ireland.
Confessions were beaten out of them and they spent 17 years in jail for a crime they did not commit.
The circumstantial evidence was found in playing cards which naturally contain traces of explosive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six

More recently hundreds of innocent people were prosecuted and some even jailed for fraud in what is known as the Post Office Scandal.
The software was the problem and not the sub-postmasters who were made scapegoats by managers who wanted to conceal the evidence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56718036
 

[zorkan]

At the highest level they often do get away with it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje0kj3z7jeo

[zorkan]

So Justin Welby, the man with the silly hat resigns as Archbishop of Canterbury over the child abuse scandal which had been going on in the church of England for decades, and which he knew about but wanted to protect the church rather than the individual.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj505ygdp17t

He'll probably retire with a big pension and leave behind people with lives destroyed.
He is unlikely to be brought to jusice as are any number of other guilty members of the church.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-mitre-fallen-bishops-urged-10766206

Can you really take these people seriously?
They also engage in the most puerile ceremonies, like knocking 3 times on the catheral door to request entry, then when opened someone asks:
"What do you want?"

You 'justin' couldn't make it up.
First time the leader of the church of Englend has resigned and this over child abuse.
Anglican communion has 85 million members worldwide.

https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/11/13/justin-welby-is-first-anglican-leader-to-resign-in-churchs-history/

[Recusant]

There's a special place in heaven for religious sexual predators. At least for the Christians. After all, it's not the one unpardonable sin (hat-tip and a special up yours to the Holy Ghost) so as long as they ask forgiveness they're golden.

[Asmodean]

I imagine the times when them usual Books of Morals(tm) were written were rather on the rapy side, compared to our own.

One of the benefits of being a proclaimed adherent to such-like is that modern morals and values only need apply when it suits you. When, on the other hand, it suits you to marry a girl in single digits... Well... God be fine with it, be he not?

I suppose if you take the divine for what it is, it does make certain sense. Rape and pillage and transgress as you please - tell them you've changed and they won't mind. Do not ever in the history of ever, however, ever question the size of your boss' ghostly penis.

Insecure people and their demand for superficial showings of respect... Gods. I mean, insecure Gods.

[zorkan]

There's a special place in heaven for religious sexual predators. 

Don't you mean hell?
What puzzles me about heaven, apart from its location, is can you keep the different denominations apart?
They do have things in common, though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47134033

I'm going to call this.
The ceremonies, the vestments, the funny hats are there to attract kids.

[Recusant]

There's a special place in heaven for religious sexual predators. 

Don't you mean hell?

I write what I intend to convey. Explicated in the text you neglected to quote.

What puzzles me about heaven, apart from its location, is can you keep the different denominations apart?
They do have things in common, though.

Easily handwaved: With God all things are possible. An earthly understanding of "location" is insufficient to grasp the infinite realm of the divine, quibbling and gainsaying of mere mortals notwithstanding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47134033

I'm going to call this.
The ceremonies, the vestments, the funny hats are there to attract kids.

They're trappings of power. Children being fascinated is incidental, however irresistible the exploitation of that fascination may be to a particular sort of predator.

[zorkan]

With God all things are possible. An earthly understanding of "location" is insufficient to grasp the infinite realm of the divine, quibbling and gainsaying of mere mortals notwithstanding.

Unless it falls to earth.
"New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 is 2,225 km in length, width, and height. A city of these gigantic proportions cannot be located on Earth; but, as stated in Rev. 21, the city comes "down out of Heaven from God", presumably onto, the "new earth."

As I'm easily flummoxed can you throw light on this.

[zorkan]

Justin Welby's final speech in the House of Lords proves his insensitivity.
He was forced to resign as the Archbishop of Canterbury following the child abuse scandals.

This is what he said:
"And there is only, in this case, one head that rolls well enough.

"I hope not literally. One of my predecessors in 1381, Simon of Sudbury, had his head cut off and it was then the peasants – the revolting peasants at the time – who played football with it at the Tower of London.

"I don't know who won. It certainly wasn't Simon of Sudbury."

Now he is forced to apologise again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86wq09q472o

[zorkan]

Breaking news from the Church of England today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydgjevx70o

I wonder what Cottrell will say in his Christmas address to the nation.