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Started by zorkan, July 14, 2024, 06:05:57 PM

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Tank

Parliament voted today to start the process of making 'assisted dying' legal in England and Wales. Scotland having their own legislation.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Icarus

Quote from: Tank on November 29, 2024, 06:04:12 PMParliament voted today to start the process of making 'assisted dying' legal in England and Wales. Scotland having their own legislation.

A remarkably kind and sensible proposal. Terminally ill or irreparably damaged people do not need to suffer unnecessarily while awaiting the ultimate outcome. We mercifully euthanize animals when they are suffering. What is the reason to avoid favoring Humans with that sort of kindness? ..........Answer: Religion forbids it.

billy rubin

i think thats what it boils down to.

in my opinion, the decision as to when to end ones life should be a private one. i dont buy the idea that the the state has an overriding interest in controlling you in that regard.

lots of details in that devil.


set the function, not the mechanism.

Dark Lightning

I need to formalize my requirements in the case that I'm left quadriplegic or incapacitated in some way where I can't make my wishes clear. In either of those cases, I want no nutrition nor even an IV. My wife's mother laid in a bed for almost 2 years after a stroke. Managed to eat, though. It's a complete waste of resources that I have no interest in using...just to end up dead at the end, anyway.

Tank

Here is the law as proposed in detail Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill.

It still has some way to go and may be modified in the process.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

What was impressive is that this is an apolitical 'bill'. That is to say there is no party line to follow. It is a free vote. Listening to the 5 hours of public debate in parliament was basically quite refreshing. Strong views deeply held dealt with respect. I'd forgotten politics could be done this well.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

zorkan

Vote passed with 55 majority.
Only the first hurdle in making it law.
The House of Lords will obstruct it.

Biggest problem is coercion.
Son: "Look Mom, you'll be better off dead."
Daughter: "No."

We should all be taught there is nothing in life that cannot be taken away, and what goes around comes around.

"MPs who swore their oaths to the monarch on religious texts were more likely to vote against the bill."


Tank

It's a definitely a step in the right direction.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

zorkan

For me:
"I have no intention of dying. In fact, that will be the last thing I do!"
― Milton H. Erickson

Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.