UK General Election 2024

[Old Seer]

The Catholics consider the sola scriptura doctrine to be heretical. Trying to browbeat a Catholic priest with the Bible is a fool's errand.

Not hard to do, tell a clergyman there's an alternate interpretation of creation and can explain it he'll cease and desist pronto. In an exchange on Rumble few days ago He couldn't explain why he didn't know that. He was not a happy camper.

[zorkan]

They get into power, it goes to their heads, they think they now walk on water.

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
"4 legs good 2 legs better."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6_tTlvvqpw

[billy rubin]

The Catholics consider the sola scriptura doctrine to be heretical. Trying to browbeat a Catholic priest with the Bible is a fool's errand.

Not hard to do, tell a clergyman there's an alternate interpretation of creation and can explain it he'll cease and desist pronto. In an exchange on Rumble few days ago He couldn't explain why he didn't know that. He was not a happy camper.

what alternate interpretation was that?

im interested.

[zorkan]

There is an alternate interpretation of creation.
We are a laboratory for evolution set up by aliens.
It's why our planet has more water than it should.
It was drained off from other planets like Mars.

Might get a slot on Ancient Aliens series 21 for that.

[zorkan]

Following Labour's attack on pensioner's incomes and the upcoming attack on working "non-workers" in the budget, we now see footage of an attack by a Labour MP on a man in the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qV_s2dK8k

[Asmodean]

It's why our planet has more water than it should.

...But it does not. It has the water it has. There is not a "should."

Now, the causes for it having the amount of water it has, as opposed to a different amount, those are a-whole-nother discussion. Any combination of aliens, mostly-water-celestial-body collisions, alien-induced collisions of named variety or even The Flood(tm).

(My point, by the way, is that the amount of water does not point specifically to aliens, nor even strongly imply their involvement. It works like this: humans plant fir trees for use as Christmas decorations. There is an abundance of fir trees in that there forest *point.* Therefore, humans planted said forest. Except, of course, they did no such thing.)

[zorkan]

Then you tell me where all the water went on Mars.
https://time.com/7018680/where-did-all-of-mars-water-go/
"Two principal theories prevail for where all the water went: it either retreated into the ground or sublimed away into space."

The Earth has a mass 10 times that of Mars.
Different orbits would almost certainly have brought them closer together.
This is not necessarily a Velikovskian fable.
Earth sucked the water off Mars, possibly about 500 million years ago, and not 3 billion, at the time of snowball earth.

[Asmodean]

Mars is relatively light, and without a magnetosphere to speak of, atmospheric gases (including water vapor) would get "blown off" the planet by solar wind.

What water Mars lost is likely in the asteroid belt, the Jovian system and so forth. There is some possibility that a massive enough hit resulted in significant enough amount of debris from Mars reaching Earth, but I have precisely zero data to speculate on the magnitude of "Martian pollution." (Which is not to say that such data does not exist - I simply do not know)

[zorkan]

I assume that the oceans stay intact on earth because in freefall the planet is weightless.
Mars is in freefall like any other object in the entire universe.
Only when one massive body nears another is there some sort of attraction, so I don't think the solar wind would play a part in the vanished oceans of Mars.

[Asmodean]

No, the oceans stay intact because "all" water that evaporates comes back down as rain or snow. It's a combination of enough gravity, enough magnetosphere and enough atmosphere.

On Mars, proportionally more atmospheric water gets "sandblasted" off the planet by solar wind. The atmosphere is thin and the magnetosphere is comparatively weak, as is gravity, so it's a harder life being a water molecule in the atmosphere of Mars than being one on Earth. You are liable to get your ass split, shoved rudely into space and such-like.

[zorkan]

If the earth is moving in space at about 60,000 mph and 1.4 million miles an earth-day then the liquid oceans should blow off, but they don't.
Gravity is a myth. It's the indirect cause of the warping of space-time.
We don't have a proven theory of quantum gravity and time is only a form of energy.
That's why it's impossible to explain.

[zorkan]

The next prime minister once the trade unions have brought down Labour will be:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c2e7xgx11mgt

[Asmodean]

If the earth is moving in space at about 60,000 mph and 1.4 million miles an earth-day then the liquid oceans should blow off,

No more than you should be squished into chili con carne from being in a car doing 130 kilometers per hour.

but they don't.

...Any more than you do in the above example. What outside forces do you propose to rid the Earth of its liquid water?

Gravity is a myth. It's the indirect cause of the warping of space-time.

Those two are mutually-exclusive. Either it is a myth, or it is the geometry of space.

We don't have a proven theory of quantum gravity and time is only a form of energy.

What does quantum gravity have to do with it? The model for how liquids and gases "stay" on a planet is plenty adequate without it.

That's why it's impossible to explain.

You and your big, weighty words!

It's explainable using the knowledge we have. An imperfect explanation though it may be, it is practically sufficient. You could even use the existing model to do stuff like predict the thickness of the atmosphere and the presence of liquids on a hypothetical planet.

[Icarus]

If the earth is moving in space at about 60,000 mph and 1.4 million miles an earth-day then the liquid oceans should blow off, but they don't.
Gravity is a myth. It's the indirect cause of the warping of space-time.
We don't have a proven theory of quantum gravity and time is only a form of energy.
That's why it's impossible to explain.

Has or valued friend Zorkan been into the sauce? 

[zorkan]

Until we have a proven theory of quantum gravity we don't even know if anything at all exists.
Not even the earth.
According to Carlo Rovelli, nothing exists apart from quantum waves.
"A world where nothing exists, except in its relation to something else. It is time, Rovelli asserts, for these deeply radical ideas to be absorbed into the whole of contemporary culture."

Might expain in part why we never feel the motion of the earth.