UK General Election 2024

[zorkan]

Depending on how you interpret it, then Exodus 21 does seem to suggest a woman's life is more important than her unborn baby.

Pregnancies can be terminated in natural and unnatural ways.
The Commandments could have made the issue clear, but like so many other important things it doesn't even mention it, leaving only interpretation.

If a Catholic is ever asked for their views on abortion by a priest, I would advise them to ask the priest for a clear reference in the bible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mound

I'll interpret this that a woman has the right to choose an abortion, or not.
 

[Recusant]

The Catholics consider the sola scriptura doctrine to be heretical. Trying to browbeat a Catholic priest with the Bible is a fool's errand.

[billy rubin]

It appears to allow it in some circumstances, like when the mother's life is in danger.

so ^^^this is an error, then.

[Asmodean]

abortion was a non-issue for most people until the conservative activists started searching for a single issue they could push to drag in evangelicals and catholics into politics.

Was a non-issue for me, until my mother had one, and even then I spent a decade and a half slowly arriving at the conclusion that I had been wrong for all that time.

It is an issue, and it is a complex one at that.

[billy rubin]

i personally am against abortion, for the same reasons i am against ending any human life through force or intervention.

but the conflict is between a life and anothers body autonomy. in that case my opinion defaults to the body autonomy.

i see forced birth as similar to forced organ donation. someone gets to use your body for their benefit, against your will. one is unthinkable to most people. the other we argue over.

[Tank]

In my opinion all abortions are failures. Failures of contraception and forward planning mainly. And I totally agree with the body autonomy issue.

[billy rubin]

yes

but the issue of medical problems is serious. ectopic pregancies and chemotherapy

[The Magic Pudding..]

What's to be done?

[Tank]

yes

but the issue of medical problems is serious. ectopic pregancies and chemotherapy

Agreed. I would consider these medical issues in the first place and not even an abortion issue as such.

[Asmodean]

What's to be done?

I'd start by keeping the Fed(tm) out of it and delegate it to community issue.

Abortion should be available. Unrestricted/no-questions-asked abortion..? Probably not.

Body autonomy issue is of course a thing. There is a flipside to it though. If you had the sex because you felt like it and got stuck with a regular run-of-the-mill pregnancy, that raises different issues from you having been molested by your uncle and having an ectopic. There are degrees of personal responsibility there, and in a subset of cases, making the woman carry the pregnancy to term may be justifiable.

[zorkan]

It's been a great week for Starmer and Labour.

Any attempt to reinstate winter fuel payments defeated in the Commons.
Up to 5000 pensioners could die of the cold this winter.

1750 prisoners allowed out of jail having served only 40% of their sentences.
Some are already back inside having breached their terms of release.

UK missiles to be sent to Ukraine which could be fired into Russia and potentially spark a nuclear war with NATO.
If one reaches Moscow then look out London.
That really would be Starmergeddon.

 

[Asmodean]

UK missiles to be sent to Ukraine which could be fired into Russia and potentially spark a nuclear war with NATO.

I wouldn't worry about that overmuch. The Bear(tm) is dead and has been for a couple of decades. Putin's "red lines" are just empty talk at this point.

If one reaches Moscow then look out London.
That really would be Starmergeddon.

Yeah. The shoe-leather-face-what's-his-name-foreign-secretary guy would go on TV and engage in fiery and brimstony rhetoric. Whatever would The West(tm) do?!

[zorkan]

After the great pensioner robbery, Starmer already embroiled in Wardrobegate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13853669/daily-mail-comment-wardrobegate-sleaze-keir-starmer-lady-starmer.html

[zorkan]

Here's why Starmer is so gifted.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-starmer-declares-gifts-and-freebies-totalling-more-than-100-000-the-highest-of-any-mp-13217287

[zorkan]

Losing a whopping 20 points in popularity Starmer and his inner circle are now going to decline the free clothes, gifts and tickets.

As the chief prosecutor at the time of allegations made against Mohammed Al-Fayed, Starmer will decline to comment.
But he must have known.
Think of Fayed as Savile, Weinstein and Epstein rolled into one monster.
He got away with it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/19/starmer-mohamed-fayed-assault-crown-prosecution-service/?msockid=2d12e4d06f9069ff2ed3f1d16e6b68ce