Christian Nonduality

[Me_Be]

Yeah, scrap the religion section and religion with it.
Religion means living in fear for the rest of your life.
Philosophy is dead (Stephen Hawking).
Everything it has ever presented has been proved false.

Scrapping the story that humanity has assumed it, itself has written, is likened or compared to a dream, and nothing ever happened in a dream.

So Who or What is this 'you' without the attachment to story?
Scrapping you're story, is the end of Authorship, the end of belief in Authorship. The end of 'you' and 'me' the end of every-one who believes in Authorship.

Reality has no Author, no Copyright. . except in this conception, the greatest story; no one ever wrote, or heard, or told.

Reality is unwritten; that which is eternal and unreality, or illusion, is that which is temporary.
Note that illusion does exist, but it is unreal in the sense that it's not eternal.

Corinthians 4:18. New International Version.

 18 ''So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.''

Compared with...

''Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the non-existent [the visible material body] there is no endurance and of the eternal [the invisible spirit soul] there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both. '' ~ Bhagavad Gita

[zorkan]

From Buddhism, a godless religion:
The material world only exists because of consciousness.

"Once in Hawaii I was taken to see a Buddhist temple. In the temple a man said, "I am going to tell you something that you will never forget." And then he said, "To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven. The same key opens the gates of hell."
― Richard P. Feynman, The Meaning of It All: Thoughts of a Citizen-Scientist.

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/4021/the-dark-side-of-buddhism

"I remember one student who was having problems memorising material for tests. Distraught, she went to the monks who explained to her that she was having such trouble now because, in a past life, she was a murderous dictator who burned books, and so now, in this life, she is doomed to forever be learning challenged."

The dark side of us all is that we are just a collection of assembled waves and particles.
(Being miserable keeps me happy}.

From far, from eve and morning
     And yon twelve-winded sky,
The stuff of life to knit me
     Blew hither: here am I.

A E Housman, poet.

[Me_Be]

From Buddhism, a godless religion:
The material world only exists because of consciousness.

Yes.

The material world; is an imaged projection of imageless consciousness. The same but different stuff (our) apparent dreams are made of.

The dark side of us all is that we are just a collection of assembled waves and particles.

From the internet/inner-net.
''Indeed, we are. The intricate dance of atoms and electrons forms the very fabric of our existence. From the majestic galaxies to the tiniest particles, the universe weaves its cosmic ballet. Each atom, with its nucleus at the center and electrons whirling around like celestial dancers, contributes to the grand symphony of reality.

In this cosmic choreography:

Protons and neutrons huddle together in the atomic nucleus, bound by the strong force.
Electrons, the ethereal troubadours, flit around the nucleus, their paths governed by quantum probabilities.
Energy levels dictate where these electrons can pirouette, creating the mesmerizing patterns we call chemical bonds.
Molecules, those harmonious ensembles of atoms, join hands to form everything from water to DNA.''

(Being miserable keeps me happy}.

I'm happy being unhappy, and if that makes me sound like a misery guts, then I'm happy with that too. I have no particular preference to-be or not to-be; for I have no control to make what happens unhappen.

There is nothing making happening happen; nor is there anything to make what happens unhappen.

[zorkan]

"The material world; is an imaged projection of imageless consciousness. The same but different stuff (our) apparent dreams are made of."

Nope. The material world comes from the Higgs Field.
https://www.waldorflibrary.org/journals/22-research-bulletin/1199-autumnwinter-2012-volume-17-2-higgs-field-and-a-view-of-the-material-world-that-makes-sense

"I'm happy being unhappy, and if that makes me sound like a misery guts, then I'm happy with that too. I have no particular preference to-be or not to-be; for I have no control to make what happens unhappen.
There is nothing making happening happen; nor is there anything to make what happens unhappen."

Or, everything is in the past and the future never comes.
Trying to force happiness on yourself is certain to lead to unhappiness.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/happiness-secret-why-miserable-unhappy-ok-mental-health-depression-anxiety-a7837481.html

Humans are waves.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/08/19/in-quantum-physics-even-humans-act-as-waves/?sh=40ced635312c

[Me_Be]

The material world comes from the Higgs Field.
https://www.waldorflibrary.org/journals/22-research-bulletin/1199-autumnwinter-2012-volume-17-2-higgs-field-and-a-view-of-the-material-world-that-makes-sense

Fair enough. There is a field theory. So is this field conscious of itself? I mean what's viewing the field? what part does consciousness play into the equation of the field theory of reality?

Or, everything is in the past and the future never comes.
Trying to force happiness on yourself is certain to lead to unhappiness.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/happiness-secret-why-miserable-unhappy-ok-mental-health-depression-anxiety-a7837481.html

Thanks for posting the link. I've not heard that said before, but I am delighted, it's as though I was reading my exact same thoughts, it made my day even happier.   

Humans are waves.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/08/19/in-quantum-physics-even-humans-act-as-waves/?sh=40ced635312c

Okay, thanks.

Can I just ask...This assembling of all the named molecules and chemistry that just happened to have made up the material world as we know it to be.... Was all that just an accidental, opportunistic, spontaneous event...or will we never know for absolute certainty why there is something rather than nothing question?

[zorkan]

Can I just ask...This assembling of all the named molecules and chemistry that just happened to have made up the material world as we know it to be.... Was all that just an accidental, opportunistic, spontaneous event...or will we never know for absolute certainty why there is something rather than nothing question?

Ask me a difficult one.
As there are no absolutes we will never know.
Maybe when we capture one of those aliens who invade our airspace we could ask it.
Meanwhile, your guess is as good as mine.

[Me_Be]

Can I just ask...This assembling of all the named molecules and chemistry that just happened to have made up the material world as we know it to be.... Was all that just an accidental, opportunistic, spontaneous event...or will we never know for absolute certainty why there is something rather than nothing question?

Ask me a difficult one.
As there are no absolutes we will never know.
Maybe when we capture one of those aliens who invade our airspace we could ask it.
Meanwhile, your guess is as good as mine.

You cannot capture reality and encapsulate it into a formal system because reality is infinite and so it will always escape any attempt to encapsulate it as it must, because reality is one thing, it is the self, and the self is capable of self-reference and when you're capable of self-reference this necessarily leads to a paradox.

Therefore no one can even claim to be an Atheist, let alone a Theist.

[zorkan]

Therefore no one can even claim to be an Atheist, let alone a Theist.

I don't claim to be an atheist to every god because I believe in Zorka, the god of my own reason.

I'm not a theist because such a person believes in ancient scripture which has no place in this world.

[Me_Be]

Therefore no one can even claim to be an Atheist, let alone a Theist.

I don't claim to be an atheist to every god because I believe in Zorka, the god of my own reason.

I'm not a theist because such a person believes in ancient scripture which has no place in this world.

I believe we all believe in the God of our own understanding. So each to their own as they say.

Those people who wrote the Bible must have believed in a God of their own understanding at the time when it was being written.

Who's to say theirs was the wrong God while holding to their own God as right.
That's the nature of the human mind I guess.

[zorkan]

Do theists allow you to have your own beliefs, or do they force them on you?
The brainwashing of young minds.

The bible is a forgery.
The genocidal god of the OT could not possibly have become the loving god of the NT.
We know nothing about the authors of any book in the bible, and there are no original manuscripts.
All of it is recycled and translated from earlier beliefs found in the ancient world.

In scientific terms what theism is to the Anthropic Principle, atheism is to the Copernican Principle.
The human mind is torn between the two.
 

[Me_Be]

Do theists allow you to have your own beliefs, or do they force them on you?
The brainwashing of young minds.

No one is ever born with a belief. Belief's were imposed upon every newborn.

While it does seem as though later on when you leave the unknowing state of newborn to become self-aware you exist as a separate entity in your own right, because a name/label had been imposed upon you, the ''beliefs'' of others seem as though they have been forced on you. Like your name for example: you were given a name by someone else, and you believed that your name was who you are. You became aware of yourself as a concept, and that moment was the birth of your conception, before that, you were pure absolute beingness but did not know it, you only know it in relation to something else, namely, your name.

 And so it seems that most people accept their conditioning, the beliefs imposed upon them by others, without ever questioning them, they are happy to go along with herd mentality, they are happy to believe something they are told simply because everyone else is believing it as well. However, everyone can change their mind at any time they want about what they think they know, or believe to be truth.

However; that which is a AWARE of the mind set of beliefs,  can't be changed. Tis only the mind that can change.

Mind is relative to the absolute truth that is the observer, and so any relative claims about the absolute truth, are never the absolute truth, they are only half truths.

What you are is already the absolute truth. You can never know or speak about the absolute, because you are it. Knowing the absolute is mental interpretation, which is subject to change, and therefore temporal and limited representations or interpretations, and never ever this immediate absolutely true present, which is beyond the mind and beyond words. Words can never touch it...so anything we speak of is never it absolutely.

 The true present is always this immediate presentation and NEVER a representation of the present formed of beliefs and ideas.

Our beliefs are always ( The lies which tell the truth )  In other words, there are no absolute truths, only relative truth by association.

The bible is a forgery.
The genocidal god of the OT could not possibly have become the loving god of the NT.
We know nothing about the authors of any book in the bible, and there are no original manuscripts.
All of it is recycled and translated from earlier beliefs found in the ancient world.

In scientific terms what theism is to the Anthropic Principle, atheism is to the Copernican Principle.
The human mind is torn between the two.

The human mind is the story teller, something that is being observed, but not by the mind. That in a nutshell, is the truth of what is this nondual-dual reality. The dual truth is the only truth the mind knows, within the illusory dream of separation, where it seems there is a knower and that which is known....seemingly two, but always inseparably one and the same knowing.

Like I said, you cannot know the absolute, because you are the absolute. To know the absolute one would have to split off from the absolute to become relative. But while the relative is known, the known can know nothing of the absolute, because the relative is illusory, within the artificial dream of separation...thus, any relative ideas about the absolute are absurd.

The Truth will always be the Truth regardless of our beliefs, twinges, thoughts, or opinions about it. Rendering all human mind-made knowledge nothing more than pure imagination, belief and story.

[Icarus]

^ Perception is reality.