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Evolution in the bible

Started by zorkan, February 16, 2024, 11:58:35 AM

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zorkan

The greatest grand-daddy of us all was Adam.

"First God made Adam from the dirt. Instead of making Eve from the dirt, God thought it would be best to yank a rib from Adam. He used this rib to make Eve. So, the quote "you are someone else's rib" could mean that you are made from your parents or you are, from a long line of ancestors, made from Adam's rib."

Clear evidence of common ancestry here.

zorkan

Quote from: billy rubin on February 23, 2024, 05:05:29 PMand no rabbits in the precambrian.
This article does not rule out fossil rabbits in the PC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precambrian_rabbit

God either buried fossils as a test of faith or fossils are evidence of what failed to make it to the ark.

billy rubin

#17
rabbits in the precambrian would not disprove evolutionary theory.

they would absolutely disprove the current model of chordate phylogenetics. if the anomaly could not be resolved, then evolutionary theory would be falsified.


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Asmodean

:this: :smilenod:

You know how they say that there be devils in them details? It is precisely because sweeping generalisations are sweepingly general and therefore not very useful when it comes to the specifics of an issue.

Pre-Cambrian rabbit does not equal to evolution is false does not equal to therefore god. A whole slew of questions would have to be asked and answered from 1 to 2, and then from 2 to 3.

Here's a few;

Did the fossil originate where discovered? (As in, does it "belong?") Does the fossil share common ancestry with known life forms? (As in, is it a rabbit, or a rabbit-like life form of different origin?) Did the paleontologist screw up? Are we quite sure about that? So forth.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

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Quote from: Asmodean on February 26, 2024, 12:02:27 PMDid the fossil originate where discovered? (As in, does it "belong?") Does the fossil share common ancestry with known life forms? (As in, is it a rabbit, or a rabbit-like life form of different origin?) Did the paleontologist screw up? Are we quite sure about that? So forth.

Just like you throw away the bones from your box of KFC, it is possible that passing aliens threw away bones from their boxes of Sirius Fried Dinosaur.
I can't be serious!
Yet no complete large land dinosaur fossils have ever been found. (1)
Maybe the aliens were pranksters. Maybe god is a prankster.

Paleontology is not a precise science.

What does evolve is the whole concept of god to fit the age we live in.

(1)  Hadrosaurus was nearly complete. Alien might not have liked the taste after the first sample.

Asmodean

Quote from: zorkan on March 02, 2024, 01:13:40 PMJust like you throw away the bones from your box of KFC, it is possible that passing aliens threw away bones from their boxes of Sirius Fried Dinosaur.
I can't be serious!
Actually, this is more pertinent a question than its framing might suggest.

Replace "passing aliens" with "some process," which may or may not involve dino-munching extraterrestrials, and you may find that there are ways for a fossil to find itself "where it ought not be." Of course, there are ways of detecting the like. Just a for-instance, but seems plausible; You find a rock in "new" sediment in the wake of a melted glacier. Inside that rock, there is a Anomalocaris fossil. What would one of the most ancient predators known be doing in the soil deposited after the early hominids banged their first rocks against each other to create "knives?" In this case, it was dragged there by the glacier. I expect that more intricate ways of achieving such-like are available.

QuoteYet no complete large land dinosaur fossils have ever been found.
Maybe it was before the Ancient Egyptians taught them ancient aliens the art of mummification. :smilenod:
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

Quote from: Asmodean on March 04, 2024, 09:23:32 AMMaybe it was before the Ancient Egyptians taught them ancient aliens the art of mummification. :smilenod:

Paying special notice to the first part, here is the whole process of mummification:

1. Insert a hook through a hole near the nose and pull out part of the brain
2. Make a cut on the left side of the body near the tummy
3. Remove all internal organs
4. Let the internal organs dry
5. Place the lungs, intestines, stomach and liver inside canopic jars
6. Place the heart back inside the body
6. Rinse inside of body with wine and spices
7. Cover the corpse with natron (salt) for 70 days
8. After 40 days stuff the body with linen or sand to give it a more human shape
9. After the 70 days wrap the body from head to toe in bandages
10. Place in a sarcophagus (a type of box like a coffin)

I feel them ancient aliens would have just thrown their corpses into space.

Old Seer

 :) The only place in the book that I know of one could construe evolution is in creation- "and fowl which the waters brought forth abundantly" etc. IOW, birds came out of the waters. 
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

zorkan


Old Seer

I'm merely imparting the possibility that someone could take the passage as an inference to evolution, it wasn't meant as fact. The book is a history of a particular people and as to whether it's fact or fiction is for the readers discretion. I don't see the passage as such. :) 
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

zorkan

Genesis does sort of get it right.
(I only said sort of).

"The first creation account is divided into seven days during which God creates light (day 1); the sky (day 2); the earth, seas, and vegetation (day 3); the sun and moon (day 4); animals of the air and sea (day 5); and land animals and humans (day 6). "

It says it took 6 days, but it doesn't say a day was 24 hours.
A day could have been a billion years, by the time the author of Genesis got round to explaining it.
I can see where Parker is coming from.
A lunatic asylum?

Old Seer

I know, :) I studied the book for many years- that's why I'm atheistic.
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

zorkan

But isn't Genesis more right than wrong with evolution?
Granted, the 2nd creation myth contradicts the first where Adam is born out of dust and Eve from the rib of Adam, but that only proves that Genesis had more than one author.
It seems the first account of creation is accurate with the Cambrian Explosion and the evolution of eyes which allowed for predators.

It only gets it wrong here:
Quote:
Genesis very explicitly claims that the earth existed before the sun and stars, and that flying creatures (birds, bats, pterosaurs)  etc. existed before land animals.

Parker: "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens" actually refers to the evolution of the eye.
"the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution—3,000 years before Darwin.

Ever since Darwin we still can't explain this.




Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.