This is the Beginning of the End

[Icarus]

This dude is prolific but will soon become annoying.

[Tank]

I'm smelling A) troll and B) Mobius

It's not Mabus--note that he's not once mentioned Nostradamus, nor Marcuse (of whom Mabus/Markuze has become rather fond). Also quelo hasn't made generalized threats against the membership or announced the imminent death of atheism.

There are some similarities but quelo has a wider range of interests, and writes in paragraphs rather than exclamations.

Spoil sport 

[Asmodean]

So, let's summarize...

...It's Monday on planet Earth. Well, at least some places it is. A regular Monday.

There is no need to be overly concerned - even combined, all those things and more a nowhere near the beginning-of-the-end level of important.

Of course, there are ways of looking at it where the Big Bang itself was, in fact, the beginning of the end, as per the second law of thermodynamics. Enthropy increases. The ordered withers and dies. A bleak outlook, but on the positive side, you, me, our children's children... We will all have ceased to exist long before any actual "end." Maybe let the problems of people a thousand or a milion years from now be their problems, eh?

[Old Seer]

I honored your request and waited til today. Civilizations are always founded on what eventually destroys them. So, civilizations will always fail and start over on the same premise as before, and at times it's a bit unclear as to when one ends and starts over. What you've posted here is nothing new. City states of long ago so over used the land around them they had to move with some of their population breaking off and going other places. Today there's nowhere to go so the destruction of the people's habitat has become static. But, science has been able to apply understands to many problems and avoid them. For as long as the main problems aren't seen and understood the cycling will continue. :-)

[quelo]

@Old Seer wrote:
I honored your request and waited till today. Civilizations are always founded on what eventually destroys them. So, civilizations will always fail and start over on the same premise as before, and at times it's a bit unclear as to when one ends and starts over. What you've posted here is nothing new. City states of long ago so over used the land around them they had to move with some of their population breaking off and going other places. Today there's nowhere to go so the destruction of the people's habitat has become static. But, science has been able to apply understands to many problems and avoid them. For as long as the main problems aren't seen and understood the cycling will continue.
 

I'm replying to you because, in the whole gang, you seem to me to be the most sensible and calm person. This is a story that has been going on for a very long time, roughly 13 years. I came here, to this forum, to be precise, way back on April 6, 2011. Before coming here, I had started to take it out on your colleagues, or rather the Italian Militarized Atheists, who even have a territorial organization here in Italy , complete with offices, secretariats, and even a periodical magazine. This one below.



The reason why I started with you is because the Carpenter's Son, in his speeches, recommended acting like that doctor who always goes to the homes of the sick, and not the healthy, in carrying out his work. Together with you, I should have made these speeches to criminals, corrupt people, whoremongers, greedy people, but these are categories that I could not trace as easily as it was possible to do so with you. And then, over time, I understood the meaning of certain passages of the Scriptures, that is, that a man, deep down, if he does not understand, or if he rejects the words of the Carpenter's Son, it is never because they are difficult, illogical, inadmissible. . If he does it, he always does it because he always has something to hide underneath. He or he has a behavior that violates one or more commandments that he finds written in that Book. But these are speeches that I have already made elsewhere. That is, in all those links that I gave you in the previous message. And I don't want to do them all over again. Quickly reread these two chapters, number 24, and number 25.



Chapter 24

Chapter 25

From that list of events, even quite detailed, the only thing that was still missing was the fall of meteorites from the sky. And now, if you scroll through the press reviews that I have done in the last few days, and translate them from other languages, you will realize that those are arriving too. What do I want from you? I want you to take the trouble to contact your Italian Atheist colleagues and then, perhaps, also the French, German, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Spanish, etc, etc, and tell them to be ready. To do what, exactly, if I have to be honest, I don't know. But what I understood is that today, as then, two thousand years ago, those who, more than many others, will understand what is happening will be the gamblers, the cops, the whores, and many other people from whom you would least expect it. Those who will not understand anything, until the end, will be the whitewashed tombs, or the hypocrites. Of any type, and in any place and environment they hide. Now intercontinental phone calls cost less than a phone call to your downstairs neighbor, so these are the contact details below.

Union of Italian Atheists, Agnostics and Rationalists, contacts of the offices in Italy



Someone who speaks English you will find it for sure. Non-believers, it is well known, are often people of great culture. In particular, let them know that I am looking for a certain @Gazzettiere, a certain @Daniele, and a certain @Desrocchi, who were the moderators of a gigantic discussion forum used by that organization. That forum no longer exists. A great uproar came out, due to political differences, and in order not to fuel the controversies, and the abandonments, it was deactivated. Devil, etymologically, derives from the verb 'to divide'. And that's always what he does, in any environment and context. But now you know this, and from now on the last thing you will do, in the days we have left to live, will be to let yourself be fooled so easily. For the sake of completeness, and to show you that I'm not lying,

Happy American Atheists, first entry on April 6, 2011, with Holubice user.

Happy American Atheists, second entry on April 10, 2020, with Quelo user.


And anyway, no more chatter. There's more to think about. Storm Daniel devastates Libya. Local authorities: "Dams collapsed, 2 thousand dead and thousands missing in Derna". Benghazi: "Italy help us in the relief effort"







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[Recusant]

Devil, etymologically, derives from the verb 'to divide'

You are either misinformed or a liar.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

Cognate (or alternatively, borrowed in parallel) with Old Frisian diūvel, diōvel (West Frisian divel), Old Dutch diuvel, (in inflected forms also) diobol- (Middle Dutch duvel, Dutch duivel), Old Saxon diuval (Middle Low German, Low German düvel), Old High German tiuval, tiufal, diuval, diufal (Middle High German tiuvel, German Teufel),
 
ultimately < Hellenistic Greek διάβολος (in Jewish and Christian use) the Devil, Satan (Septuagint, New Testament), specific use of ancient Greek διάβολος accuser, slanderer, use as noun of διάβολος backbiting (< δια- dia- prefix1 + -βολος (see peribolos n.), after διαβάλλειν to slander, lit. 'to throw across'),
 
probably via post-classical Latin diabolus (Vulgate).

The Online Etymology Dictionary agrees:

Old English deofol "a devil, a subordinate evil spirit afflicting humans;" also, in Christian theology, "the Devil, a powerful spirit of evil otherwise known as Satan," from Late Latin diabolus (also the source of Italian diavolo, French diable, Spanish diablo; German Teufel is Old High German tiufal, from Latin via Gothic diabaulus).

The Late Latin word is from Ecclesiastical Greek diabolos, which in Jewish and Christian use was "the Devil, Satan," and which in general use meant "accuser, slanderer" (thus it was a scriptural loan-translation of Hebrew satan; see Satan). It is an agent noun from Greek diaballein "to slander, attack," literally "to throw across," from dia "across, through" (see dia-) + ballein "to throw" (from PIE root *gwele- "to throw, reach").

As for "no more chatter," your posts are tedious and not particularly interesting, whatever username they're posted under.

You've been tending toward violation of the rules of this site, specifically the No Preaching rule. If you continue on that route the staff will be happy to respond appropriately.

[Dark Lightning]

I vote for the dump pile of troll posts, soonest. None of this shit has any redeeming value.

[Asmodean]

As for "no more chatter," your posts are tedious and not particularly interesting, whatever username they're posted under.

This right here. Way to make the "end" ""times"" bloody boring.

Much like Recusant above, I only found the following worth a discussion, though from a different angle;

A great uproar came out, due to political differences, and in order not to fuel the controversies, and the abandonments, it was deactivated. Devil, etymologically, derives from the verb 'to divide'. And that's always what he does, in any environment and context. But now you know this, and from now on the last thing you will do, in the days we have left to live, will be to let yourself be fooled so easily. For the sake of completeness, and to show you that I'm not lying,

You want what you want. I want what I want. There is no "we" beyond where "we" agree that there is.

Even if you had been correct etymologically speaking, it would be a meaningless observation for the simple reason that unity is not universally preferable and, conversely, division is not always to be avoided. (As an analogy, consider the following statement; "You know who else said 'good morning?' Hitler!" ) Atheism has "won" its place in the digital mainstream and so some old, tenuous alliances fell apart and others were formed, towards different goals. Granted, that is rather a simplistic view of complex matters, but to the first degree approximation, it works well enough. As a song once put it, it's

'Cause people, they come together
People, they fall apart

[Old Seer]

I see your ending is based on the biblical ending which I didn't see right off. I assumed your information would be more based on geophysics rather than religion. But, it seems you're into biblical end times. Be aware that everyone here has read and studied the bible and already have their conclusions. From my understandings the world isn't very near any such ending and it may be over the horizon somewhere . Most so refereed to "Christian" religions are claiming the end is near, and from what I gather from their expectations it should come about within the next year or two. So,I'm waiting for when that time is up and it hasn't come about what will they say then. But all atheists know the excuse, God works in mysterious ways and no one knows the time because the Book says so.

 Knowing some of the history of this matter it will be about the 10th time (or more) this prediction has been wrong. And I will wait to see what the excuses will be this time to see if there's any difference than last time. 

[Recusant]

Christians have a long tradition of claiming their god would be back very soon. Wikipedia has a list which I am sure is not exhaustive--Hilary of Poitiers said that it would happen in the year 365, and they've carried on ever since.

[Asmodean]

A Jesus is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.

(And by "arrives," I obviously may or may not not mean a sexual metaphor of some kind)

[quelo]

@Old Seer wrote:
I see your ending is based on the biblical ending which I didn't see right off. I assumed your information would be more based on geophysics rather than religion. But, it seems you're into biblical end times. Be aware that everyone here has read and studied the bible and already have their conclusions. From my understandings the world isn't very near any such ending and it may be over the horizon somewhere . Most so refereed to "Christian" religions are claiming the end is near, and from what I gather from their expectations it should come about within the next year or two. So,I'm waiting for when that time is up and it hasn't come about what will they say then. But all atheists know the excuse, God works in mysterious ways and no one knows the time because the Book says so. Knowing some of the history of this matter it will be about the 10th time (or more) this prediction has been wrong. And I will wait to see what the excuses will be this time to see if there's any difference than last time.

@Recusant Administrator wrote:
You've been tending toward violation of the rules of this site, specifically the No Preaching rule. If you continue on that route the staff will be happy to respond appropriately.

Summum ius, summa iniuria





Oh yes, your rules... Good old Cicero didn't have a great opinion of your rules. In any case, I have no intention of starting to play cat and mouse again. I note that, in these 13 years, nothing has changed in here, and therefore I leave you to your considerations, dictated by the goddess Reason, as the Illuminists called her, many years ago. Anyone who is interested in what I write knows that I also write elsewhere, and also in English. As we say goodbye, I remind you to bring an umbrella with you. Because bad weather is coming. And that Someone makes blind, all those who want to be lost.





Hurricane Lee threatens New England with stormy winds and dangerous seas over the weekend







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[billy rubin]

was the point of all this to suggest that chtistian end times wrre approaching?

[Bluenose]

TL;DR

Boring nonsense.  I suspect the ban hammer may be in this guy's future.

[Dark Lightning]

They say "we". Is that the royal we, or are their multiple entities posting under the umbrella of "quelo" And what's with the 13 years, when "quelo" is only registered for 3? It's a tool, in any event.