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What is science?

Started by MarcusA, April 26, 2023, 06:06:28 AM

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MarcusA

Science is the deliberate attempt to prove everything and nothing.
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Asmodean

Not at all.

Science is a method for building models of reality. Proving things is a part of it, but not the product.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

MarcusA

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No one

Everything works in a distinct and precise manner, in accordance with its own particularized processes. Science merely translates that into hooman speak.

MarcusA

Quote from: No one on April 28, 2023, 12:13:53 PMEverything works in a distinct and precise manner, in accordance with its own particularized processes. Science merely translates that into hooman speak.

Science is the exploration of nature and returning.
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Tom62

Science is telling your financial sponsors what they want to hear as well as kowtowing to activist mobs because of the fear of loosing your job.
The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
Robert A. Heinlein

The Magic Pudding.

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Asmodean

Quote from: Tom62 on April 30, 2023, 07:31:34 AMScience is telling your financial sponsors what they want to hear as well as kowtowing to activist mobs because of the fear of loosing your job.
:sadnod:

A fair chunk of what passes for science is exactly that. It's not so much about building the best possible model of reality and more about tailoring a preferred model to fit(-ish) reality.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

No one

Truth suffers not for the misguided perceptions or irrational fears of persistently ignorant hoomans.

Asmodean

A philosopher once said; "The truth doesn't damage points of view that are legitimate"

The reverse, however... Can points of view that are less than legitimate damage the truth? Perhaps not. they can, however, twist it to fit a narrative or simply change their target audience's perception of it.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

No one

The inability to comprehend the truth, makes not any difference to said truth. Twisting facts to fill an agenda,is only effective on those who refuse to think.

Asmodean

I think that is only partly accurate. Yes, provided you are capable of doing some critical research, you can generally form an informed opinion. However, that requires a few things to even attempt. Incentive, for one. And that in itself... Do you care what's really true in a particular instance? Are you served by adhering to or propagating said truth?

You can fully comprehend it and still misuse it.

As for how effective twisting the truth can be, that proverbial devil is in the details. Beyond certain point, truth can be made into a matter of opinion/approach. That is, for example, how politics work. Things are true/false and/or important/insignificant and/or viewed from this or that angle. It's the good old blind man's elephant problem.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

MarcusA

Just the facts, ladies and gentlemen.
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MarcusA

What's nonsense? Even religion has its uses like controlling most of the idiots and their votes.
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Icarus

My country is crawling with science deniers. Anti vaxxers come to mind and flat earthers who really believe that the earth is a disc.