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Quote from: Bebé Bruno on November 03, 2022, 05:43:26 PMHey Mags,

I figured if they don't ban me as I've requested I'd probably have to provoke them in some way, but if the following is okay with them, then I'm going to have to get really fucking creative.

:headscratch:

Quote from: billy rubin on October 31, 2022, 11:04:26 PM"what do you call a black man with a PhD?"

(the answer is "nigger.")




that example was to illustrate real world conditions in a place where i once lived and where those conditions still obtain. people i knew and considered to be my friends had to deal with it every day.

the fact that you find it offensive and demeaning to a group of people but millions of americans in texas do not care is exactly the point i was making.

if people here find the appearance of the word to be offensive in all contexts, then that is good enough for me, and i will not use the word or words like it.

but in my opinion a frank discussion of the evils of racial prejudice is hindered if we have to tiptoe around how it is inflicted on people.


i expected nothing but im still disappointed

Bluenose

Quote from: Magdalena on November 04, 2022, 01:10:02 PMPlease ban me indefinitely.
I'm done here.

Admins: please don't.
+++ Divide by cucumber error: please reinstall universe and reboot.  +++

GNU Terry Pratchett


Magdalena

I'm sorry for bothering you, again, but I believe you guys have had enough time to ban me.
I don't know what you're waiting for.
—Please don't make me "bump" this thread every week so that this is the first post your new members see.

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Dark Lightning

^ Wow. "See what you made me do?" Really? You might take a little time to see how this makes you look.

Magdalena

Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 08, 2022, 11:10:00 PM^ Wow. "See what you made me do?" Really? You might take a little time to see how this makes you look.

I am asking to be banned.

—You think I care about how this makes me look? You think this is about, me?
Wow.

I don't see any, "See what you made me do?"

Some of you did this to yourselves.

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Recusant

OK, I have now posted in the moderation space about this, Magdalena. Sorry for the delay.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Biggus Dickus

Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 08, 2022, 11:10:00 PM^ Wow. "See what you made me do?" Really? You might take a little time to see how this makes you look.

Wow Mags,

What are you thinking? I mean why would you post something so outrageous like this, do you know how that makes you look?

Just kidding...I don't get it. I mean folks can post racial crap like below, but not a word of discouragement or disgust from ole Dark Lightning. Not that's strange!


Quote from: billy rubin on October 31, 2022, 11:04:26 PM"what do you call a black man with a PhD?"

(the answer is "nigger.")


"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."

billy rubin

Quote from: Bebé Bruno on November 09, 2022, 04:22:10 PM
Quote from: Dark Lightning on November 08, 2022, 11:10:00 PM^ Wow. "See what you made me do?" Really? You might take a little time to see how this makes you look.

Wow Mags,

What are you thinking? I mean why would you post something so outrageous like this, do you know how that makes you look?

Just kidding...I don't get it. I mean folks can post racial crap like below, but not a word of discouragement or disgust from ole Dark Lightning. Not that's strange!


Quote from: billy rubin on October 31, 2022, 11:04:26 PM"what do you call a black man with a PhD?"

(the answer is "nigger.")




bruno, by my count youve posted ^^^this more than me.

i used it to illustrate the existence of something that i profoundly disagree with.

you apparently want to use it to abuse people.

clean up your act.


i expected nothing but im still disappointed

Biggus Dickus

I'm using it to illustrate how much I abhor the use of this word, and how the forum allowed it to be  used without question. Like I profoundly disagree with the use of this word.

Clean up your act Billy-Boy!

You could have illustrated your point without going into specific details of this so-called joke of yours, but you felt it necessary to post it, and use the same word repeatedly in later comments to try and justify your willingness to use the word.

Now you're upset?

I'm only posting a copy of a quote from something you said, which everyone here on this forum excepts Mags and I thought was just fine and dandy.


 



"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."

billy rubin

i have already said that i will drop this matter out of consideration for th emembers here, and will post no more on it.


i expected nothing but im still disappointed

Biggus Dickus

Very well, I won't quote it anymore.
"Some people just need a high-five. In the face. With a chair."

Magdalena

Just for the record, I did not report a word, and I didn't report anyone, either.

This is what bothers me:
Billy and I were having a good and productive conversation —I think— about things a white man and a Latina woman would probably never have the opportunity to discuss unless both are genuinely curious to know about it, want to learn from the mistakes,  and have a genuine desire to change it.
—Racism.

...And "Domingo Siete" or,
Reinhard Heydrich and
August Friedrich Kubizek had to show up and bring negativity to it. As if talking about racism wasn't negative enough. No, he had to come to say —nothing has changed since the  '60s.
—Some people don't give a shit about such matters.
—And those who do, are being "dragged" into a debate and "forced" to take sides.

Were we (billy and I) dragging you and forcing you to take a side?
No.
—Billy and I didn't do that.


Before, I would've considered a forum administrator's  opinion, but this is coming from someone who said:
"Indeed. You see, [we] are what ye-average keyboard warriors on Twitter would call a pair of nazis. ..."

Oh, so you're not a nazi, you're just called a nazi on the internet?
Or,
"You're  not a nazi, you just play one on TV?"
Complaining?

—No.

Bragging?
Proud?
Annoying?
Mildly Satisfying?

—Yes.

Billy said:
"I'm starting to give more of a fuck, period.

I used to just let the racists talk, and not call them on it, because there was no point, you know? they never change..."

—How can this statement and MLK's statement bother or annoy anyone?

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Asmodean

Quote from: Magdalena on November 10, 2022, 07:30:52 AMBefore, I would've considered a forum administrator's  opinion, but this is coming from someone who said:
"Indeed. You see, [we] are what ye-average keyboard warriors on Twitter would call a pair of nazis. ..."

Oh, so you're not a nazi, you're just called a nazi on the internet?
Indeed, though Twitter specifically - not the Internet as a whole. Pretty much "everyone" in my three discord servers is what Twitter would call a nazi - not for what we say, but for how we say it.

QuoteOr,
"You're  not a nazi, you just play one on TV?"
Not even that. I've met maybe two people who could be classified as Nazis this year. Personally, I support a minimal government oversight, which in itself is a deal breaker for Nazism, and don't care about some key issues Nazis hold as paramount, so I'm about as far from them in terms of individual rights and liberty as I am from Socialists in terms of economics.

QuoteBragging?
Proud?
Annoying?
Mildly Satisfying?

—Yes.
I'm probably all of those things at one time or another. Sometimes all at once. I do try to only brag about things I consider achievements though. Poking Twitter bubbles is rather a minor one as such go, which I clarified.

Quote—How can this statement and MLK's statement bother or annoy anyone?
I don't know. Do they?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Asmodean

[Moved from Closure of HAF. (not happening) - Asmo]

Quote from: Magdalena on November 10, 2022, 07:46:30 AMI have thick skin, like billy, but that doesn't mean that some of you guys' comments don't hurt me.
I think beyond a certain point, thick skin is about just-not-caring. If you are passionate about an issue, making a carefree attitude difficult and probably undesirable, those hurts are likely to fall on your strength of character ratehr than the thickness of your skin. At least, that has been my experience. This is not a comment on yours in any capacity - just an observation that sometimes in discussions, we use muscles other than mental walls. Those do sting to get a slug to.

QuoteNone of you have offended me, ever. But some of you guys' words have hurt me and yet in 10 years, I don't think I have thrown a "toddler tantrum" not yet.
As someone who tends to do that, it was never the intention. Yes, I refuse to make special considerations for mentally-able adults unless specifically asked for some, but that is not with the goal of causing hurt or even stirring up controversy - I talk to you the way I talk to my colleagues the way I talk to the more insufferable of my gamer pals the way I talk to myself. It depends on the setting and the situation - not the person or people involved.

Of course, the flipside of that coin is in counting on not being specially considered in return. In my regular circles, it's a relatively safe bet.

QuoteAsking to be banned, as I said, is my way of doing a peaceful protest. "Converting" a racist should not be a bad thing. If it is, I don't want to be part of a group that condemns it. I rather you guys ban me, for doing something good, than to be around and be seen as a nuisance.
I don't see you as a nuisance. I also don't see how converting a racist's vocabulary where everyone can hear converts the racist himself - unless skin deep is good enough, which I don't think is the case and, messy as it was, I think that point was made very well over the course of this discussion.

I see it thusly; if I were a racist (As in, treating or willing to treat people differently based on the colour of their skin - I leave the whole power plus privilege crap to Twitter) "all" I'd have to do to effectively fly under the radar and achieve the current year, is moderate my vocabulary in public, while advocating for segregation under the guise of inclusion and diversity, advocating for radicalization under the guise of tolerance, advocating for discrimination under the guise of "protecting" minorities - so forth.

The kind of world Mr. King dreamt of. Yes, ye-olde "classical" racists do work against it, but so do those who do the above. Me? I oppose the lot. I don't set out specifically to right as many wrongs in the world as I can, however, I do try to treat everyone equally. That does mean, if you pardon the metaphor, potentially telling a rape joke where a rape victim can hear.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

MarcusA

Postmodernism is built on cultural appropriation.
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