Departing the Vacuousness
Started by Recusant, June 21, 2022, 08:14:31 PM
Quote from: Tom62 on June 29, 2022, 08:47:20 PMIn what way does the coach represents the US state or church?
Quote from: billy rubin on June 30, 2022, 02:23:16 AMhttps://abc7.com/nc-workers-fired-not-joining-aurora-pro-services-daily-prayer-devotion-eeoc-atheist/12001573/
Quote from: Anne D. on June 30, 2022, 01:56:05 AMQuote from: Tom62 on June 29, 2022, 08:47:20 PMIn what way does the coach represents the US state or church?As an employee of a public school district, he was an official of the state, and he was leading his students in a public prayer, despite what Justice Gorsuch says.
QuoteIn any event, while Gorsuch's opinion does overrule Lemon, it does not purport to overrule Lee. And, as explained above, Lee permits public school employees to engage in the kind of private, quiet prayer that Gorsuch falsely claims Kennedy engaged in after football games.That means that the doctrinal implications of Gorsuch's Kennedy opinion on future cases in which public school employees coerce their students into religious exercise are far from clear. If Gorsuch had held that the Constitution permits Kennedy to do what he actually did, then that would be a hugely consequential decision that would gut the Court's previous decision in Lee.But, because Gorsuch paints such a misleading picture, involving a coach who offered a "short, private, personal prayer," the more limited holding of Kennedy is that this hypothetical activity is allowed. And, again, Lee already permits public school employees to engage in private, personal prayers.Kennedy will no doubt inspire other teachers and coaches to behave similarly to Coach Kennedy, but those teachers and coaches will do so at their own peril. Gorsuch's opinion doesn't weigh whether a coach is allowed to do what Kennedy actually did. That remains an open question, because the Court did not actually decide that case.[Link to full article.]
QuoteImagine your boss fervently proclaiming his religious beliefs at the end of a companywide meeting, inviting everyone on the team who shares those beliefs to join in. You're surrounded by colleagues and other higher-ups. Everyone is watching to see who participates and who holds back, knowing that whatever each of you does could make or break your job and even your career, whether you share his convictions or not. But hey, totally up to you!That's what Joseph Kennedy, a former assistant coach in Kitsap County, Wash., did with his team — only he did it with public-school students at a high-school football game. When the superintendent made clear that by actively inviting players to join him at the 50-yard line for postgame Christian prayers, he was violating school policy and, by the way, the Constitution's Establishment Clause, Kennedy took to the media, turning a small town's school sporting event into a three-ring circus and ugly social media sideshow, with students effectively forced to perform or suffer the consequences.[. . .][T]his court's right-wing majority is following the dictum of our Trumpian age: Objective truth doesn't matter. Subjective belief — specifically the beliefs of the court's religious-right majority — does. The Kennedy decision wasn't based on the facts but on belief in the face of facts. Moreover, those six justices are determined to foist their beliefs on the rest of the country.In allowing for greater "religious expression," the court curtailed the liberty of those whose prayers take other forms, Americans who practice non-Christian faiths and people who do not practice religion at all. Kitsap County is home to a variety of religions, including Judaism, Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism and Baha'ism. A coach-led Christian prayer on the playing field is necessarily exclusionary.[. . .]"Kennedy v. Bremerton opens the door for so much more government promotion of religion and a great deal of religious favoritism by government officials," Daniel Mach, director of the A.C.L.U.'s program on freedom of religion and belief, told me. "I think we are likely to see a lot more blatant religious favoritism by school officials who feel emboldened by the decision."This comes at a moment when, for the first time, a minority of Americans belong to a church, synagogue or mosque — only 47 percent in 2020, down from 70 percent in 1999. The number of nonbelievers is on the rise, with roughly one in four Americans identifying as atheist, agnostic or "nothing in particular." Belief in God also fell to an all-time low in 2022, with 81 percent of Americans believing in God, down from 98 percent in the 1950s.This trend is surely part of what drives the resurgent Christian right, and it may well even be on the minds of the current conservative majority on the Supreme Court, five of whom are Catholics and one of whom was raised Catholic but attends an Episcopal church. With their brand of religious dogma losing its purchase, they're imposing it on the country themselves.[Continues . . .]
Quote from: Gnostic Christian Bishop on August 08, 2022, 04:35:46 PMSeparation of church and state is a notion I do not support.I see it as impossible to enforce.A person cannot shut off half his thinking when entering a political office.I also believe that the teaching of all religions should be mandated.We are duty bound to show our children the goods and evils of religions.They should learn as early as possible to reject the homophobia and misogyny of our more vile religions.All moral people will agree.RegardsDL