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Started by Ecurb Noselrub, May 04, 2022, 12:17:02 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on May 30, 2022, 12:16:01 PMQuote from: Magdalena on May 30, 2022, 06:55:57 AMPeople who can do something about it, have become desensitized. I don't think the senseless death of so many children touches their hearts anymore.Life is cheap, and getting cheaper. That's a bit of an unfortunate "side effect of the times," let's call it.
Quote from: Magdalena on May 30, 2022, 06:55:57 AMPeople who can do something about it, have become desensitized. I don't think the senseless death of so many children touches their hearts anymore.
Quote from: Asmodean on May 30, 2022, 12:16:01 PMPersonally, I do see tragedies for what they are - even before, say, looking at pictures and/or reading stories of those affected. It's people much like me, and of whom I may one day become one. I don't have children, but I do understand loss and can step into the shoes of people who experience it - to a degree. Enough to matter.
Quote from: Asmodean on May 30, 2022, 12:16:01 PMThat said, the motivation to react may very well come from the heart, but the reaction itself should come from the brain alone, I think. I'll never get my sociopathic paradise though, so... Settle for balance of reason and instinct, I suppose.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on May 30, 2022, 12:07:09 PMMags, I agree with your post. When I said the culture was not always like this, I should have confined it to around here in Texas. There were guns, but there was not the obsession with them that we see today. I hardly ever heard "2nd Amendment" growing up. Of course, mass killings started in Austin with Charles Whitman in 1966, so there was always a nut or two doing crazy things. But the average person didn't talk that much about weapons. Then we had the Luby's massacre in Killeen in the early 90s, and that is when the laws changed about concealed carry. So that was a step toward the gun obsession. But it was when AR-15s were legal again in the early 2000s that the NRA started really screaming about gun ownership, and you began to people thinking that they needed these guns. We have to do something. At the very least we can have more thorough background checks. We have to go through training and pass tests to get a driver's license. We should have to do at least as much to buy a high-powered rifle.
Quote from: billy rubin on June 01, 2022, 10:09:05 PM...thrre are 20 million ar15s loose in america. no law will make them dosappear
Quote from: billy rubin on June 02, 2022, 01:08:50 PMtheres been another one, too.oklahoma.semiauto rifle and a pistol, apparently.when i was a kid in asia people were always running amok and killing people. but they always used a knife. if we could persuade people to do that instead wed have lots fewer deaths.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PMIn Asmo's grey lump, wrath and dark clouds gather force.Luxembourg trembles.
Quote from: Icarus on June 09, 2022, 12:15:36 AM^ Gray One, I seriously doubt that knife wounds can be more serious than a single gunshot from an AR15. The AR bullet makes a small hole in the front of a human torso. The exit hole is not even a hole it is a destructive area the size of a dinner plate.
QuoteSurvival from a direct hit from one of those guns is damned rare. More than one of the kid victims at the Texas massacre were almost entirely beheaded with one shot. Muzzle velocities of near 3000 feet per second does that kind of damage. Those bullets are traveling at about Mach 2.5 or more.
QuotePistol impacts are not even in the same league as AR 15 shots. Those projectiles are moving at much lower velocity than the rifle shots. Even so, a 45 calibre pistol bullet can make one quite dead and somewhat mangled. Maybe not quite as mangled as the result of one of those Viking Axes, but just as dead.
Quote from: Icarus on June 11, 2022, 12:26:21 AMImpact velocity does matter. Aside from the F= Ma equation it is the shock wave that is a determinant of overall damage.
QuoteA recent demonstration gave visible evidence of the shock wave phenomena. A block of rigid gelatin, about 25 cm long was the target. A projectile from a 9mm pistol showed a fairly clean hole all the way through the length of the gel. The AR15 round with its shock wave entered cleanly. Part way through the gel, the hole became ten times larger and the exit blew out a huge chunk of gel. The shock wave did far more damage than the projectile.
QuoteNot a pretty demonstration but surely enough to persuade us to try to eliminate the AR type weapon from citizen use. Military use OK. The military purpose is to destroy the enemy and set fear into the heart of his brethren. Not what we need in elementary school settings or grocery stores.