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Assuming evolution is correct, do you think that if humans went extinct another

Started by Curt, December 24, 2020, 03:27:01 AM

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Curt

Assuming that evolution is correct, do you think that if the human race went extinct another species as intelligent as humans would eventually evolve? If life exists long enough on a planet, is intelligence and consciousness pretty much inevitable?

No one

There is no doubt that humans will go extinct. As for what comes after, what does it matter? The planet is doomed either way.

Also, there is no assumption.

Intelligence is relative to it's environment. If the environment allows for the intelligence of sentient, logical, reasoning creatures, and said creature has a need for such attributes, then yes, I'd say it's inevitable.

xSilverPhinx

Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


billy rubin

evolution doesn't necessarily lead to intelligence. th emost evoltionarily successful organisms in th eworld are th enematodes, i think, and i don't think we would call them intelligent. as for consciousness, i don't know what it is, so i don't think i could evaluate it. i don't think anybody else knows what it is either.

what is intelligence, though?  is it the ability to learn, or the ability to modify behaviours? are we intelligent because we can manipulate our environment? or are cetaceans intelligent because they don't have to? is intelligence the ability to destroy one's ecological niche, or the ability to enhance and preserve it?

i think the result f this would be to try to define intelligence, and in the end all we would decide is that intelligence is what human beings say that they have and other animals don't.



"I cannot understand the popularity of that kind of music, which is based on repetition. In a civilized society, things don't need to be said more than three times."

Icarus


billy rubin

lol

i'm so deep.

my wife laughz at me becauze my memory iz so shitty. i cant remember anything but numbers.

f
sixty year old telephone numberz? sure. motorcycle serial numbers? okay. other peoples drivers license numbers? yes.

but i cant remember what i did all day yesterday.

iz that intelligent?


"I cannot understand the popularity of that kind of music, which is based on repetition. In a civilized society, things don't need to be said more than three times."

Bad Penny II

Quote from: Curt on December 24, 2020, 03:27:01 AM
Assuming that evolution is correct, do you think that if the human race went extinct another species as intelligent as humans would eventually evolve?
Probably, possibly there are already some, has been some.

QuoteIf life exists long enough on a planet, is intelligence and consciousness pretty much inevitable?
No, I don't know, fleetingly maybe, not necessarily.
Take my advice, don't listen to me.

Bad Penny II

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2020, 12:34:30 AM
Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)


Truth we avoid lest become No one.
Take my advice, don't listen to me.

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Bad Penny II on December 26, 2020, 02:16:43 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on December 25, 2020, 12:34:30 AM
Us humans are too smart for our own good. So smart we're capable of destroying our planet many times over. We are slowly  destroying our planet for short term gains. We elect freak shows and psychopaths for presidents because they play on our fears. We're capable of irrational fanaticism and are led like sheep to the slaughterhouse by people who know how to manipulate us.

We're so smart yet so dumb. If our intelligence was an evolutionary "experiment" then we've probably failed.

So I don't know.  ::)


Truth we avoid lest become No one.

Oh dear, I've been channelling no one. :grin:
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

Quote from: billy rubin on December 26, 2020, 02:59:45 AM
lol

i'm so deep.

my wife laughz at me becauze my memory iz so shitty. i cant remember anything but numbers.

f
sixty year old telephone numberz? sure. motorcycle serial numbers? okay. other peoples drivers license numbers? yes.

but i cant remember what i did all day yesterday.

iz that intelligent?

:lol: You could look at it this way: your brain is specialising to remember what it thinks is important. Why remember what brand of cereal you had for breakfast when you need to remember a string of numbers? :P

(I can barely remember my own telephone number, I added it to my contacts in my phone just in case I need to look it up. Seriously, if I ever lost my mobile it would be the end of me. ::) On the other hand, I have a great memory for useless trivia and could write books on hearsay and gossip accumulated throughout the years. ::)
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


billy rubin

the problem is diplomatic. my lovely wife willmake a cazual off hand remark about something. i will procesz it and then if it doesnt comeup again i will forget it.

literally MONTHS later she will add a second remark to the first, and expect me to know what she iz talking about.

if i dont immediately make the connection and generate an appropriate rezponse im iup shit creek:

WHAT? I TOLD YOU THAT ALREADY!

and so she did , sort of


"I cannot understand the popularity of that kind of music, which is based on repetition. In a civilized society, things don't need to be said more than three times."

No one

The brain is an odd organ. Depending on which departments are up and running determines particular facets of specialty.

Years ago, around the time when Rain Man was storming through theaters, I watched a show about savants. Learning that there were idiot savants who were much like Dustin Hoffman's character, then there were prodigious savants, who were possess outstanding abilities. There was one man who could not remember how to tie his shoes, yet he played several instruments with virtuoso aptitude. Another was a carpenter, who would just look at something, and he would know it's exact dimensions, never had to measure a thing.

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: No one on December 27, 2020, 07:55:22 PM
The brain is an odd organ. Depending on which departments are up and running determines particular facets of specialty.

Years ago, around the time when Rain Man was storming through theaters, I watched a show about savants. Learning that there were idiot savants who were much like Dustin Hoffman's character, then there were prodigious savants, who were possess outstanding abilities. There was one man who could not remember how to tie his shoes, yet he played several instruments with virtuoso aptitude. Another was a carpenter, who would just look at something, and he would know it's exact dimensions, never had to measure a thing.

I watched a documentary on savants a few years back, and there were so many examples of people with so called "islands of ability in a sea of disability". Most had photographic memories. There was one autistic savant who was able to memorise the entire landscape of a city and craw it from memory, down to the number of windows in the buildings. It's fascinating.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


No one

I forgot to mention that the guy who played all those instruments could hear a song once, and then play it.

Randy

Somewhere out there in the vastness of space is a galactic bug sprayer and rodent remover. He's been by Earth before hence the dinosaurs being wiped out. I expect they'll be back and eradicate humans. We're pests.
"Maybe it's just a bunch of stuff that happens." -- Homer Simpson
"Some people focus on the destination. Atheists focus on the journey." -- Barry Goldberg