Started by Magdalena, May 31, 2020, 02:20:45 AM
Quote from: billy rubin on June 01, 2020, 11:17:19 AMin america, theyve had fifty years since the murder of martin lurher king to demonstrate tbeir good will.it hasnt happened. tbe reality is that tbere are cops that commit crimes, and cops that look the other way.thoze are tbe only kind there are.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PMIn Asmo's grey lump, wrath and dark clouds gather force.Luxembourg trembles.
Quote from: Icarus on June 02, 2020, 07:18:42 AMBilly that is bullshit. To say that that is "the only kind there are" is beneath both of our dignities and too far beneath our sense of honesty.
QuoteIf I have an intruder who is trying to get into my house, planning to harm me, would you suggest that I call a plumber?
Quote from: Asmodean on June 02, 2020, 08:31:26 AM......Apologies for adding to the politicization of your thread, Mags.
Quote from: billy rubin on May 31, 2020, 04:26:37 AMthe police murdered a man and now are inciting riots nationwide.what do you do when the cops are the criminalz?
Quote from: billy rubin on June 02, 2020, 03:01:17 PMQuote from: Icarus on June 02, 2020, 07:18:42 AMBilly that is bullshit. To say that that is "the only kind there are" is beneath both of our dignities and too far beneath our sense of honesty. sorry, but i disagree, icarus. if the american police forces were capable of policing themselves, we wouldn't see the systemic abuses that we do. the fact that police in my country can illegally assault peaceful protesters without instantly being outed by a law-abiding cop standing next to them indicates that the the cop next to them is not law-abiding.its not what they say that matters. its what they do that shows what they are.QuoteIf I have an intruder who is trying to get into my house, planning to harm me, would you suggest that I call a plumber?if i were black, living in america, and there was an intruder trying to get in, i would not call the police. the risks of calling the cops are as great as fending off the intruder myself. i would have been prepared and i would defend myself to the best of my ability instead.here's what happened to Stephon Clark in his grandmother's back yard when someone called the sacramento police:https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/us/sacramento-police-shooting/index.htmlhere's what happened to Atatiana Jefferson in her own living room when someone called the fort worth police:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/fort-worth-texas-shooting-jefferson.htmlthe store owner who called the police in minneapolis that resulted in the death of george floyd says he won't be calling the police anymore:https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500566-owner-of-store-that-called-cops-on-george-floyd-says-theyll-stop-calling if i were black i would no more call the police to a problem in my neighborhood than i would have called hitler's brown shirts if i were a jew in trouble.
Quote from: Icarus on June 05, 2020, 03:04:28 AMCheck this out. Here is Candace Owens a hard shell conservative I would suspect. She does make some sense, is articulate, and has a different slant Video is a bit long but may capture some interest...........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74
Quote from: Davin on June 05, 2020, 06:38:47 PMQuote from: Icarus on June 05, 2020, 03:04:28 AMCheck this out. Here is Candace Owens a hard shell conservative I would suspect. She does make some sense, is articulate, and has a different slant Video is a bit long but may capture some interest...........https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtPfoEvNJ74So here is an example of many bad faith tactics.First is the common straw man tactic, used a few times. Several times to say that "everyone" is saying that he was a saint or a hero. That's very dishonest of her and is the same dishonest tactic the white supremacists use every time.Another common dishonest tactic is to attack the character of the victim. Something that doesn't matter in this kind of situation, for obvious reasons.Another common dishonest tactic used is to bring up bad statistics and to misuse them to support their preconceived notions and to twist the narrative.Very cringy video.
Quote from: Tom62 on June 05, 2020, 08:30:49 PMRegarding statistics, never trust any statistics that you didn't create yourself.
Quote from: Magdalena on June 05, 2020, 08:04:30 PM"Of all the injuries inflicted by racism on people of color, the most corrosive is the wound within, the internalized racism that leads some victims, at an unspeakable cost to their own sense of self, to embrace the values of their oppressors."--H. JACK GEIGER, CIVIL RIGHTS WORKER.