Departing the Vacuousness
Started by Rift Zone, October 29, 2019, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: Icarus on October 30, 2019, 12:13:43 AMRZ something must have gone wrong with my hard wiring because spirituality is not even in the same world as my thought processes' either consciously or subliminally. I might think about the elastic modulus of a rubber band or a piece of aluminum of some alloy or other, the mass moment of inertia of a two by four and other things for which I have reliable evidence. That is worldly stuff that actually has some usefulness in the real world. Spirituality is a bit uncertain....no a lot uncertain. It is not subject to logical, physical or mathematical analysis, say nothing of proofs of any kind. The physical world I can deal with. The spiritual world is for dreamers, fiction writers, or prosperity preachers.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 29, 2019, 10:09:13 PMDéjà vu...
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 01:17:35 AMI'm still trying to understand exactly what RZ is going on about when he talks about the conscious and subconscious mind and how they pertain to "spirituality". There's a lot about those 'two minds' we don't know, and yet he seems to have it all figured out. However, reading the wall of text a couple of times, it just seems like he's taken a metaphorical bag called The Subconscious Mind and put a bunch of behaviours, personality structures, beliefs and emotions into it and calls it Spirituality. He goes on to say these attributes he lumped together subliminally inform our conscious minds, from the primitive limbic system up to the neocortex, where conscious thoughts reside (debatable, he's leaving out important deep-brain structures such as the thalamus). Even though it's a wall of text, it all seems very superficial with an annoying mix of sciency sounding words with pure speculation. Even 'Subconscious' reeks of New Age terminology....Perhaps that odd choice of word is what's making his words difficult to swallow. Rift Zone, please expand on what you mean exactly by 'Subconscious'.
Quotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24adApYh0ychttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipalwtgoLq0It's what you dont have active control of. Seems that way, does it ? You aware of any thing at all found within our world that contests this? Any reasons why this is wrong? or does it just seem that way to you? You know it was talking about you, right? and I intend to demonstrate it.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 03:47:18 PMAre you still trying to write a book on the subject? If so, who is your audience? I ask because your ideas are all over the place, but you probably already know that.
QuoteLeaps? To where? perfect representation of physical reality? -let's not lose track of the fact that just cuz humanity does not have complete academic grasp of the entire structure, it does not mean the structure is not there. I know you don't see it, that's what the site is for.
QuoteA group of blind men heard that a strange animal, called an elephant, had been brought to the town, but none of them were aware of its shape and form. Out of curiosity, they said: "We must inspect and know it by touch, of which we are capable". So, they sought it out, and when they found it they groped about it. In the case of the first person, whose hand landed on the trunk, said "This being is like a thick snake". For another one whose hand reached its ear, it seemed like a kind of fan. As for another person, whose hand was upon its leg, said, the elephant is a pillar like a tree-trunk. The blind man who placed his hand upon its side said the elephant, "is a wall". Another who felt its tail, described it as a rope. The last felt its tusk, stating the elephant is that which is hard, smooth and like a spear.
QuoteExactly what issue do you find there? What about that assessment in any way contests your understanding of humanity?
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 06:36:04 PMOk, first of all, you mention that everyone is your audience, but then go on to scoff at academia -- neuroscientists, cognitive psychologists, etc. -- people who are knowledgeable in the field who can tell you where your hypothesis is lacking. You seem to be enamored with this idea you consider your brainchild, and blinded because of that. But, people can't be rational all the time, so your defensiveness is understandable.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 06:36:04 PMDunning-Kruger Effect? I think that's what's going on here.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 07:24:39 PMYeah, I thought that's how you would react. Besides unskilled and unaware of it, you seem to be a raging narcissist. If I do recall, you flew into a narcissistic rage last time as well...Still failed to answer my queries, calling them and my observations "inconsequential peripheral stuff"...I still wonder whether you won't or can't. Think it's the latter. I think I'll wrap up, dis ain't goin' nowhere.Physics? What does that have to do with this topic? Ah, I see. Another characteristic of a narcissistic personality. Trying to make yourself feel smart...now that's cute.
Quote from: Tank on October 30, 2019, 08:12:41 PMYou seem to be under some sort of misapprehension we care who you are.
Quote from: Rift Zone on October 30, 2019, 07:58:37 PMQuote from: xSilverPhinx on October 30, 2019, 07:24:39 PMYeah, I thought that's how you would react. Besides unskilled and unaware of it, you seem to be a raging narcissist. If I do recall, you flew into a narcissistic rage last time as well...Still failed to answer my queries, calling them and my observations "inconsequential peripheral stuff"...I still wonder whether you won't or can't. Think it's the latter. I think I'll wrap up, dis ain't goin' nowhere.Physics? What does that have to do with this topic? Ah, I see. Another characteristic of a narcissistic personality. Trying to make yourself feel smart...now that's cute.Unskilled? sure. I'll concede layman status on the soft science realms this impacts. It is indeed not my forte. I'm better off with physics and math, this realm is sloppy. Just the same, I can claim with confidence and firmly demonstrate this is how we and our world works. How all this manifests in humanity on psychological and physiological levels is beyond my expertise and interest. I'm not trying to express it on those levels, though I will use all available soft science to my advantage just the same. The work, and proof exists within the big picture. This is how the system works, I can prove it; and how it manifests in the various soft sciences is not exactly my concern or problem.
QuoteRight. Cuz narcissists are so wrapped up in themselves they chase mother nature long enough to figure out how she operates on hard science levels, and also love the world so much they tried to figure out what what going wrong, and fortunately managed to do so. ...cool story bro!
QuoteI wanted to establish something first. now that's done, pardon me, what was your question(s) again?
QuoteI'm autodidact, was not trained by nor do I work within academia. Physics is getting thrown into the mix to give the world a better understanding of who I am... And it has everything to do your dunning-kruger comment! play me like that... lol good luck with that one too!