Actually sport it is a narrative
Started by Dave, April 26, 2018, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: Bad Penny II on April 26, 2018, 06:19:48 PMYou haven't linked to anything
Quote from: Dave on April 26, 2018, 05:05:09 PMSeems there is a controversy going on in the athlectics world about whether sone of the tge seemingly female runners were born female, are just females with naturally high testosterone or are dosing on the stuff. Obvious problems about invasive genetic testing not being looked at with favour.One suggestion was that such females could run with men, since their times are equal to those of men - well above most women. Perhaps it is time that all runners were entered into races according to their times and not their gender? Competing on equivalent ability?OK, there is the obvious problem there that "normal" women would never get a medal. So classify the runners in close ability groups (as in the paralympics) and medalise the winners in each class? Still open to abuse by those who will run a little slower to get into a lower class, then speed up in the final (similar to paralympists allegedly faking their disability to get into a lower class.)
Quote from: Icarus on April 28, 2018, 12:25:15 AMDave, females do not run as fast as males. not that they cannot, they just have not done so to date. Close but not equal. Neither do they develope weight lifting capacity that equals the male contingent, nor shot put, discus throw distance, long jump, high jump, pole vault. That said, my high schools near and far have taken up weight lifting as a varsity sport. Some very pretty and otherwise feminine girls, of about my own weight can lift a helluva lot more than I can....or wish to, or probably ever could. One thing I can say for certain is that female athletes are every bit as tough and durable and damned well determined as any of their their male counterparts. I was for many years involved in serious women's sports on a national scope.. I learned to have the highest regard for the female athletes who play when hurt, and fight just as hard or even harder because they have something to prove and they do prove it. Strength...maybe not quite....determianation?.... there is no doubt.
Quote from: Dave on April 30, 2018, 03:47:57 PMIn terms of performance and women running alongside men my thought was all those with a similar ability profile run together, regardless of gender. There may have to be a "seed" rating on their overall continuing performance over the year; then they compete equally in the same races at the major events at least.
QuoteKind of like in boxing with weight classes?
Quote from: Dave on April 30, 2018, 05:13:22 PMQuoteKind of like in boxing with weight classes?Aw, c'mon Davin, there is absolutely no comparison between a man and a woman running parallel race and a mixed pair slugging it out! Hmm, in some of the more "acrobatic" martial arts betcha there are women who would give a man a good fight!
QuoteHmm, in some of the more "acrobatic" martial arts betcha there are women who would give a man a good fight!
Quote from: Davin on April 30, 2018, 03:23:06 PMThere is good science to show that there are gender differences in physical ability. I concede that there might be a small chance that it will show out that there is no difference. I don't think that the difference matters all that much though. Especially not with normal people, because there is also good science that shows that women develop muscle and endurance well when they work on it. I think there is a difference, but I think that the difference is much smaller than most people think. Strength studies show that muscle mass, no matter which gender, is the best indicator of strength. So a woman with the same muscle mass as a man are going to be about as strong as each other. So the difference is more in the building of muscle than the having of muscle.There is also the problem of trials and support. I think the difference in where women and men are presently is part societies fault in who are encouraged to fill certain roles.Nearly 100% of all males when they are growing up are tested for physical ability, pitted against their friends, starting sports early, and we see who develops skill and physical prowess. This is encouraged play, trying out all kinds of sports... etc. Even in males I think that "failures" are discouraged too early without attempting different training techniques that may work better for them.However females are rarely encouraged to go through the same trials, and the ones that self select aren't that big of a percentage of a population either. I would say generously that 70% of the female population is tested for physical prowess and ability.That means that there is a near 100% chance (excluding the possibility of poor training techniques), of finding the best of the best of male athletes, and only a 70% chance of finding the best of the best of female athletes. And I think that until we are checking females at the same rate as the males we can't just point to where women and men are currently in terms of straight up ability stats for what the gender differences are. There are some studies that show that women do better than men in muscles growth and recovery when they start later in life (starting in their 30s to 50s), not overall strength, but strength increases. I think that shows that women have untapped potential, but we are a long way from finding out how much potential there actually is.
Quote from: Arturo on April 30, 2018, 06:11:49 PMQuote from: Dave on April 30, 2018, 05:13:22 PMQuoteKind of like in boxing with weight classes?Aw, c'mon Davin, there is absolutely no comparison between a man and a woman running parallel race and a mixed pair slugging it out! Hmm, in some of the more "acrobatic" martial arts betcha there are women who would give a man a good fight!There really is no difference if they aren't going head. They aren't fighting each other. And in fighting people change weights all the time. I see no problem with pitting men against women in a foot race.QuoteHmm, in some of the more "acrobatic" martial arts betcha there are women who would give a man a good fight!I'm not sure society would be okay with a man hitting a woman. Especially if he wins.